What is the fixation of weight on the heavyweights of the past?

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  1. McGrain

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    I suspect it will not stick, but one will never know.
     
  2. choklab

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    Same thing happens when You google Super lightweight. I guess light welter is the old term for the same thing.
     
  3. choklab

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    Of course you would. Creating an extra division would prevent the logical labelling of a super heavyweight sized boxer being officially labelled a super heavyweight. As they have been in Amateur boxing for a generation already.

    Bridgerweight creates 5 more champions. The very thing you recon you don’t want!

    What did Amateur boxing get so wrong?
     
  4. Surrix

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    I don't know.
    Theoretically and practically each pro boxing org might set his own limits.

    The biggest problem with supposed CW limit to 190 lbs is that small and medium size CW boxers prefer to trim down till LHW 175 lbs limit and large CW lads does have weight in weight 197-199.7 lbs usually.

    With 190 lbs limit CW division might be " done " almost completely.

    I don't think that lads like Dorticos, Tabiti etc similar size lads might make 190 lbs and perform well after 24 hours for example.
     
  5. McGrain

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    :confused:
     
  6. McGrain

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    I don't "want" bridgerweight. Why are you wasting my time? I didn't say I wanted Bridgerweight. I said I preferred it to HW, SHW, just as professional boxing did when it introduced CW instead of going HW/SHW then.

    The reason for this is a simple one: boxing doesn't want to create confusion with five HW champs and five SHW champs. It knws that's a marketing disaster.

    Nothing. For amateur boxing. But they don't market the same way professional boxing does, it doesn't have to, it has Government money falling out of its ass.

    What do you think of @Surrix's idea - 175-200, 200-225, 225 plus?
     
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  7. Surrix

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    Ohh, I think best might had been like this:
    175-200lbs is a cruiser
    200-225lbs is a bridger
    however is 200+ boxer wish to compete at HW he is allowed to compete at HW.
    Anything above 225 lbs = automatically only HW.
     
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  8. Boxed Ears

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    Before I say anything else, I just wanna say that I like thread titles that are questions.
     
  9. choklab

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    So long as the 225 plus division is called Superheavyweight (and absolutely not heavyweight) I could live with it actually. I think 225 is a natural cut off for heavyweight as I said to @Entaowed

    When heavyweight has a limit in Amateur boxing it does nothing but confuse things if there is no further weight classes above it in the professional ranks. I believe it should be uniform transition with slightly more leeway with the limits within pros.

    Myself I would prefer lightheavyweight go up to 184. Have 180 to 225 and call it heavyweight (as it should always have been) and make 225lb plus category the Superheavyweight division. As it is in all but name anyway.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    This is pure fantasy. There is no appeal to Amateur boxing as authority. Nobody knows and even fewer care about the weight limits in am boxing. Pro boxing dominates Amateur boxing in literally all areas. Those are the weigh divisions people know, if they know them.
     
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    I think you misunderstood. In the olympic, and the whole of non professional boxing, there is a weight class above heavyweight. It is rightly, in my opinion, called Superheavyweight. I am certain you know that This is not a fantasy.

    The weight classes do not confuse anyone in Amateur boxing.
     
  12. McGrain

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    :lol: i know that you lunatic.

    There's no confusion about weight classes in professional boxing either. They are better known than weight classes in amateur boxing. Most people coming to their first Olympics will be surprised and confused that there is no Cruiserweight division. That's because pro boxing is WAY more popular than amateur boxing and so people are for more likely to experience amateur boxing for the first time as a professional fan than vice-versa.

    In fact, you accidentally make a fine point.

    Amatuer boxing should have their weight classes changed to match pro-boxing in order to minimise this confusion.

    I'm sure you agree, with your desperation to minimise confusion and all.
     
  13. choklab

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    more than likely, most people coming to their first professional boxing show won’t know what cruiserweight is. Barely anyone outside of boxing fans understand this word..or it’s limit. Despite how good the division has been this passed by the world at large. And you know it.

    when they already have had Superheavyweight for over thirty years? No, I think the confusion arises when there is no super heavyweight division. Seeing as the heavyweights are called modern “Superheavyweight” sized fighters by every commentator calling the fights on TV.
     
  14. McGrain

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    :lol: of course! It's their first show. Then they learn. Then they go to their first amateur show and are confused by its abscence.

    Is that all?? Cruiserweight is older. First title fight was 81 or 82.

    More evidence in support of the ams changing and professional staying the same :lol:

    Time to change! Time to stop the confusion, the enormous confusion. The chocklab confusion.
     
  15. choklab

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    Well Superheavyweight was introduced in 1984. It was not much later.

    Cruiserweight changed its limit from 190 to 200 lbs in 2003. So that division, as it now stands, is clearly the newer division.
     
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