If Marciano Had Faced...?

As I stated his defense, while hardly breathtaking was hardly non-existent as shown in the Liston bout. He does make Liston miss a good number of blows which is seldom mentioned.

If very little to none of your assessment (which isn't true, as I see you bring it up in just about every Williams thread) arises from the Satterfield fight, how did you come to the conclusion that Williams has a poor jaw? Only once was he stopped anywhere near his prime, and that was against Liston and I doubt many would've lasted much longer had they attempted to engage Liston the way Williams did. People with poor chins don't hold their ground against Liston in a slugfest for 3 rounds (hell you needed a good chin to stand toe to toe with him for even 1 round let alone 3).

His skills were enough to draw with Machen, one of the best and most skilled contenders of his era (very likely after only Floyd and Liston himself).

 

All very tough fights. But I’d still pick him to win even if barely

 

Liston did not really face anyone worth considering a threat to him. If we made fantasy bouts against them lets say he never faced Machen and we make a pool I am 90% we would all just assume he would beat Eddie same with ALL of the people he beat.

He was in a weaker era honestly he gets a bit too romanticised because he is a muscly 210lbs old timey fighter classic fans can put up against Lennox, Bowe, Wlad ect funny how Rocky only faced Old Ezzard, Walcott, Old Archie and a couple of "bums" yet Liston beat Patterson, Williams, Machen and Folley...

I think one win over a past it Ezzard is worth more then all of those put together ditto Walcott yet we scoff at Marciano vs Lennox yet not against a man equally unproven simply because he weighs 210-220lbs.

 

I think Williams a couple years down the line can beat Rocky. Foreman called Williams one of the three hardest punchers he was ever in the ring with. Underrated fighter whose career got derailed by a cop’s bullet.

 

Yeah I don't understand what you'tr saying at all

Tbh I think a prime Patterson sweeps the Ezzard, Walcott and Moore Marciano fought and he wouldn't need to get off the floor twice nor get his nose split in half to do so.

 

Thanks for the great info.

 

That's quite strong statement, considering that Floyd lost to lesser fighters than them.

 

Point one, All of the people Liston beat were not a huge threat and if it never happened we would assume he would beat them regardless because he was never really proven.

I think Ezzard and Walcott befuddle and stop him honestly.

 

The only certainty, is that if Marciano had fought on long enough, somebody would have beaten eventually eventually.

It probably wouldn't even have been the person that we would have expected.

 

When you’re knocked out eight times in your career at all different stages it’s safe to say your chin isn’t the best.
Happy, I’m making another paragraph.
You still never gave me those Williams wins. Draws aren’t wins. Especially draws to contenders. Also Williams being ranked number 2 means nothing. If we go down the list of those ranked highly plenty of undeserving folks over the years slipped in there.

 

In his prime, no he did not. As a matter of fact, he beat the same Moore Marciano beat without nearly as much trouble and did not have to get off the canvas to do so.

 

This is just ridiculous. Liston cleaned out his division, as a contender to get to the championship culminating in back to back first round KOs over the current champion. That was unheard of, and has never been done before nor again. The only person that ever came close to repeating this was Tyson.

Ezzard was 2-2 going into the Marciano fight and couldn't even beat Valdes at that point in his career, but he's beating Liston? OK.

Walcott was a career journeyman and had lost a third of his fights, and was on his final legs against Marciano. I don't think he's going to have an answer for the jab, and I see him being stopped late.

 

AJ Liebling called Nino Valdez “a playful porpoise of a heavyweight.”

Rocky was a shark. No flippy dolphin is getting the better of him.

 

It's becoming increasingly clear, you know very little about Williams and are just regurgitating tired myths. Had you known anything about Williams, you'd know FIVE of those stoppage losses are AFTER he'd been shot, died 6 times on the operating table, suffered permanent partial paralysis and had withered down to 150 pounds. He was evidently NOT the same fighter, and the fact that you're using this against him is laughable at best, and more likely ignorant of his career. One of his stoppage losses was at the beginning of his career, which you've already conceded he was "so green" at that point. So we're left with the 2 KO losses to Liston in his peak. Absolutely no shame in that, and it's hardly an indication of a poor chin.

Very much so, thank you.

Yes I did you the list of (my opinion of) Williams best wins. If you remember, you asked me this same question back in February and I answered you then.

 

Marciano has given us a good handle on who he would have fought, had he held on until it was dragged from him.

It seems that he generally gave the shot the #1 contender, and wasn't interested in anybody outside the top three.

He retired in part, because he couldn't see any big money fight on the horizon.

Having said that, his management would have guided him.

If Machen and Williams had equal claims, then he would have ended up fighting Machen..