the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

You’re right. I had several rounds that could tip either way — not enough to see it as a draw or for Tim but several — and mostly I leaned on Pink’s three minutes of work vs. Spoon turning the spigot full blast for 30-45 seconds and then turning it off for a minute. But I can see arriving at your score with no problem.

 

Mike Weaver v Gerrie Coetzee

Round 1: 10-9 Coetzee
Round 2: 10-9 Coetzee
Round 3: 10-9 Coetzee
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Weaver
Round 7: 10-9 Weaver
Round 8: 10-9 Coetzee
Round 9: 10-9 Weaver
Round 10: 10-9 Weaver
Round 11: 10-9 Weaver
Round 12: 10-9 Weaver
Round 13: Weaver KOs Coetzee

Total through 12 completed rounds: 116-114 Weaver (actual scores: 117-113, 116-114 and 116-115 all for Weaver)

Mike Weaver was always a slow starter, whereas Coetzee was always a fast starter with poor stamina. It always seemed like there was only going to be one of two results and this fight followed the directions to a tee. After surviving the early onslaught, Weaver's reflexes started to work and he always had that deep tank of stamina to call on. But by the 4th when Coetzee started to gasp it started to bog down with the fighters clutching. The ending was dramatic but I wouldn't call it a great fight. Still, it's been a long time since I saw this (41 years) and wanted to check it out.

 

Scar, I watched this one not that long ago.

I like Weaver - he's the unsung heavyweight of that era. He always came into fights in shape, had good stamina as you say, and didn't embarrass himself.

He gave Larry Holmes all he could handle in his first title try, then won the title with that remarkable KO over Tate and won here in South Africa during the height of Apartheid. He was very unlucky not to hold his title for longer but the silly stoppage defeat (overzealous refereeing) against Michael Dokes and the draw in the rematch robbed him of that.

He may not have been the most talented heavyweight of his era but he can hold his head high in terms of his own achievements.

 

Jel, that over-zealous referee was Joey Curtis and he was really an old school ref who let fights go on way too long. Before the Weaver-Dokes fight he let Wilfredo Gomez deck Derrick Holmes 8 times and break his jaw before he stopped it. Watch what he lets Ray Leonard do to Pete Ranzany. Then he stops the Weaver fight early claiming he didn't want to have another Doo Koo Kim on his hands. OK, I guess that means he's a changed man. But then he refs Livingstone Bramble-Tyrone Crawley and lets that fight go too long before stopping it. So maybe I'm paranoid but there is just a suspicious feel about him stopping that bout so quickly.

 

One of the worst refereeing jobs of all time — a South African (of course) allowing Gerrie to hold and hold and at least twice he tried to topple Weaver over the top of the ropes. Shameful.

 

I think Joey just reacted (overreacted) to the latest criticism.

“You let it go too long.”

Stops the next one quickly.

“You stopped it too soon.”

Lets the next one go too long.

Also, while I agree the Weaver fight was a quick stoppage how about throwing a punch back so everyone knows you are all right. Always told my fighters ‘if you’re OK it’s your job to participate in the fight to let the ref know you’re OK, he can’t read your mind — don’t let him stop it on you because you let the guy throw 17 or 18 straight punches on you and you did nothing in return.’

 

Manny Pacquiao vs Erik Morales I​

Rounds Won/Even
Pacquiao - 1,3,9,12
Morales - 2,4,5,6,7,8,10,11
Even - /

Notes
- A cut in the 5th Round on Pacquiao is incorrectly called by referee Joe Cortez as a cut from a punch, when it was actually a cut from an unintentional headbutt.
- Rounds 7, 9 & 12 were close & could have been even, but I felt Morales edged the 7th, while Pacquiao edged the 9th & 12th.

My Scorecard
(M) 116 - 112 (P)
Winner: Morales W UD12​

Review
Great fight from beginning to end. Pacquiao started fast & tried to do what he did to Barrera & Marquez early on by dropping him, but he couldn't do it to Morales - who started a lot faster than both guys. As the rounds progressed, it became clear that, while Pacquiao was always in the fight, showed tremendous heart & had no quit in him, Morales was the bigger & stronger guy who Pacquiao couldn't bully. Morales earned a hard-fought, competitive, but clear win in an instant classic & epic showdown. He is the only fighter to beat a Prime Pacquiao.​

 

Manny Pacquiao vs Erik Morales II​

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Rounds Won/Even
Pacquiao - 1,2,6,7,8,9
Morales - 3,4,5
Even - /

Notes
- Pacquiao scores 2 KD's in the 10th to win the fight by TKO after the fight was stopped by the 2nd knockdown.
- I had Pacquiao ahead by 3 points at the time of the stoppage.

My Scorecard
(P)87-84(M)
Winner: Pacquiao TKO 10 ​

Review
A more tactical & methodically paced fight than their 1st, but still an excellent bout with tons of action. Pacquiao fought with a smarter game plan - playing counterpuncher & using more angles with his feet to create better attacking opportunities. Morales, showed heart & guts, but this time it wasn't enough for the better prepared, faster & more explosive Pacquiao. A classic case of 'Revenge or Repeat' - where Pacquiao was able to get his revenge.​

 

SS97, I hit both these fights a couple of months ago. Their first bout I had Morales the winner 116-114 and the second I had Manny leading 88-85 though 9. I agree, both excellent fights. Also, great seeing you back in action again.

 

Albert Davila v Enrique Sanchez (bantamweight title)

First of all, I gotta ask, has anyone seen this fight? This is the first time I am actually watching this in its entirety. I have seen the 7th round many times due to the novelty of what happened, but now that I see it, I can say unequivocally, that it is a very good fight.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 3: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 4: 10-9 Davila
Round 5: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 6: 9-9 Even (scored for Sanchez but he had 1 point deducted for a low blow)
Round 7: 10-10 Even (The Hurricane)
Round 8: 10-9 Davila
Round 9: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 10: 10-8 Davila (scores a knockdown)
Round 11: Davila stops Sanchez

Total through 10 completed rounds: 95-95 Even (actual scores unavailable)

Again, a terrific fight. Sanchez was a deserving challenger who got off to a terrific start with speedy, hard combos. But around the 6th Davila really started to work the body and it really paid dividends. The 7th was the bizarre round. it was an outdoor arena in Miami and a veritable hurricane whipped up with a hard rain lashing out of the heavens. Davila later referred to it as holy water because he turned his back to the sideway driven rain and had it lashing into Sanchez' face. It was amazing to see them fighting in puddles. The 9th round was Sanchez' last gasp as Davila's body shots were taking him apart at the seams in the 10th. And Davila finished things in the 11th. It was always said that Davila was way behind. Perhaps that's just a myth, because I cannot find actual scores on this. if anyone can help out I'd appreciate it. But regardless, I had the fight Even going into the 11th and it was a great, methodical performance by Davila against an excellent opponent.

 

Thanks. It's good to be back.

 

Wilfred Benitez vs. Tony Petronelli, scheduled for 15 rounds for the WBC super lightweight championship on Oct. 16, 1976, at Hiram Bithorn Stadium in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

This is El Radar’s second defense of the title he won off Antonio Cervantes. Benitez, 27-0, weighs 139 1/2.

Petronelli, from Brockton, Mass., is 35-1-1 and is the U.S. American and NABF 140-pound champ. He is the son of Pat Petronelli and nephew of Goody Petronelli — the pair who handled Marvin Hagler — and is co-managed and co-trained by the brothers. He hasn’t lost since his third pro fight.

Round 1: Benitez 10-9 — Almost nothing happens here. According to the broadcaster, Tony said he was willing to give Wilfred the first round because he’s a slow starter and wants to get a feel for thing, and lived up to his word by barely throwing a punch. Wilfred doesn’t do much either, but lands a solid combination at the bell to put the round in his pocket.

Round 2: Benitez 10-9 — Still not much going on but each land a few jabs and Tony lands a couple of nice body shots. In the final 30 seconds, Benitez opens up and shakes Tony with a hook and a right hand to take it.

Round 3: Benitez wins by TKO at the 53-second mark. He rattles Petronelli with a left hook and Tony’s legs go to jelly. A couple of follow-up punches capped by a right hand put him down. He beats the count and takes eight to 10 unanswered punches, all solid, while offering no defense and stumbling around and the ref rightfully intervenes.

Not much to this. Tony was basically a glorified club fighter without world-class skill or athleticism but a lot of grit and want-to, but he’s in over his head here with a gifted 18-year-old who is just beginning to mature.

 

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Anyone feel like scoring this fight for me. I am too biased to trust myself.

 

Here's my card from a while back.

Azumah Nelson v Calvin Grove

Good, tactical contest this between the slick stick-and-move style of Grove and the bigger punching and more straight ahead style of Nelson. Grove got off to a shaky start with the opening round KD but recovered quickly to outbox and outfox Nelson for the rest of the first half of the fight. Nelson managed to get into it in the second half and land the bigger shots while Grove seemed more content to get on his bike than keep his punch output high. He regained some lost momentum though in the final two rounds to just take it on my scorecard but not on the judges. There were enough close rounds there that Nelson could have picked up a couple of extra points and swung the scores his way so not a robbery or signifcantly controversial, just a good, close contest.

1. 10-8 (bad start for Grove, dropped by a left hook - although unhurt - and then looked to be wobbled a bit later in the round)
2. 9-10 (Grove making Nelson miss shown showing great movement, beating him to the punch repeatedly)
3. 9-10
4. 9-10 (close, cagey round)
5. 9-10 (Grove's movement is frustrating Nelson)
6. 9-10 (near perfect fight plan execution by Grove so far. He's schooling the Professor)
7. 10-9 (not easy to score; Grove content to keep his range but not throwing much, Nelson throwing and missing byt landing the occasional bigger punch)
8. 10-9 (could have scored this for Grove but Nelson landed the biggest punches of the round at the beginning and end. In between Grove put together some nice flurries as Nelson stalked)
9. 10-9 (clearer round for Nelson)
10. 10-9 (another round where Grove lands more frequently but Nelson lands bigger. Last big shot swings it Nelson's way)
11. 9-10 (better from Grove, he ran less and put a bit more pop into his punches and controlled the round)
12. 9-10 (fancy footwork but not much punching from Grove in the first two minutes, Nelson holding a slender lead until the last 30 or so seconds where Grove puts some punches together and just edges it)

Nelson 113-114 Grove

 

Jorge Lujan v Roberto Rubaldino I (bantamweight title)

Here's a bout I came across by accident. The 1978 first defense of Lujan after winning the 118 lb. title from Alfonso Zamora.

Round 1: 10-8 Rubaldino (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 Rubaldino
Round 3: 10-9 Rubaldino
Round 4: 10-9 Rubaldino
Round 5: 10-9 Rubaldino
Round 6: 10-9 Lujan
Round 7: 10-9 Rubaldino
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Lujan
Round 10: 10-9 Lujan
Round 11: Lujan drops and stops Rubaldino

Total through 10 completed rounds: 97-93 Rubaldino (actual scores: 97-93 and 95-94 both for Rubaldino and a 95-94 for Lujan)

Rubaldino surprisingly got off to such a great start over Lujan with sheer aggression. He was forceful and got his shots off first while Lujan counter-punched, which was his forte. However, Lujan was trailing on my card and clearly his corner had to be concerned because around the 8th the counter-puncher became the aggressor and he turned the fight around. Early in the fight he seemed to have a bit of difficulty counter-punching Rubaldino's southpaw style. Perhaps this was the reason for the urgency in going to Plan B. A decent fight.