How did Jermain Taylor beat Bernard Hopkins twice?

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  1. Scott Cork

    Scott Cork Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Taylor was a very good boxer but surely nobody saw this coming let alone twice.
     
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  2. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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  3. George Crowcroft

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  4. Scott Cork

    Scott Cork Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ive seen people how here call Hopkins one of the best h2h at middleweight but couldnt manage to beat Taylor.
     
  5. George Crowcroft

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    Y'know he was like 40 right?
     
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  6. Scott Cork

    Scott Cork Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yep and three laters was unlucky not to beat Calzaghe.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Hopkins was old, and tight at the weight. He as starting to really hurt himself. If there be any doubt watch him dismantle Pavlik with the shackles off two divisions higher. It was easy for him to beat the man who beat the man who beat him once the weight-making was over.

    Plus, Taylor lined up well with Bernard's weaknesses. He was athletic - Hopkins made a fine habit of taking an opponent's strengths, but taking away athleticism when your own is compromised is very difficult. Taylor was just about able to out-speed the old boy.

    At the time - it kind of felt a bit like it was coming. Taylor was different, though it might not seem so looking back. He was big, strong, and quick. It wasn't a combination Hopkins had dealt with for some time.

    Still, the fights were close.
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

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    I thought Taylor did a great job working down the centre once he got Hopkins respect early with tht cross. I seem to remember him doing well going low them high w the jab n uses his speed to get in and outwork him. Simple strategy but if it workeds why change it?
     
  9. Fergy

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    I didn't see it coming. Hell I'm still shocked to this day.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Hopkins was over-slipping too, he was doing too much, he was worried by that punch, there are some slips that feel like Connor Benn slips :lol: Not even Nigel Benn slips.

    He was spooked.

    Overall though it was just a fine example of youth being served. Taylor had his head on right, was in his prime, untroubled by demons, and fast. As it turned out he didn't have a twentieth of Bernard's mental strength but he didn't need it on the night(s).
     
  11. McGrain

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    This is off-topic, but imagine what a great 25-round fighter Hopkins would have made? Talk about born in the wrong era, sheesh.
     
  12. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I thought Hopkins won the rematch but he did lose the first one. Taylor was also easily ahead of Froch too befor he got caught at the end.
     
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  13. Saintpat

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    Jermaine Taylor had a reputation for being a murderous puncher in the amateurs and up to that point as a pro.

    I know because he fought on the same circuit in the ams that overlapped ours — I can’t remember who but he knocked out a pretty fighter so cold they had to call 9-1-1 after. That’s with full headgear and bigger gloves. That reputation stayed with him.

    So even a seasoned vet like Hopkins probably approached him with great care and respect. And when even a really good (or great) fighter feels true power in the ring they tend to want to avoid it.

    I also saw Deontay Wilder in the amateurs when he won the National Golden Gloves. He was raw, gangly, not very smooth — but I saw him fight the Detroit GG champ and the NYC GG champ and in both cases he hit them fairly solid in the first round and they went from ‘try to win the fight’ to ‘please don’t hurt me, let me get to the final bell’ plans.
     
  14. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For all his faults at his best Taylor had a hard snappy jab and with that he beat Hopkins.
     
  15. bowlingkid09

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    Did Taylor really beat Hopkins twice? Last time I checked Hopkins landed cleaner blows in both fights. Granted both were close but you also have to look at the quality of the punches landed. With that said, Hopkins was thinking too much in the Taylor fights trying to neutralize a rangy, awkward, and athletic boxer from long range. Hopkins would have been much better off putting consistent pressure on Taylor and exploiting Taylor's flaws (telegraphed punching, wide punching, stationary head, backing up in straight lines). Hopkins played into Taylor's strengths.
     
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