I am hard leftist you guys sound like republicans not researching and analyzing **** and just going by traditions (opinions of writers whos never bothered to compare contrast and research both the pre 40s and post 40s eras of boxing!
Your conclusions of what caused the bruises is wrong , and louis probably missed 10 jabs for every one landed ,does that sound like effective jabbing to you? I call people idiots and yall act like clueless to why this is too funny.
Foreman was bigger and stronger than Charles who gave Rocky fits. Foreman struggled with defensive and slick boxers but had better success with come forward fighters like Norton and Frasier, I believe Rocky would've hit Foreman more often but suffer the same fate as the previous mentioned fighters.
Think about what you just wrote genius. You're saying if I was calling the fight, I would be fired as a boxing analyst. Even though I was literally repeating something that the boxing analyst said on camera. People who saw the fight live in color said Rocky was getting hit by jabs. Writers who got paid to watch fights said he got nailed by a lot of jabs. Analysts who reviewed the fight said this, such as the guy you apparently think should be fired. Rocky the boxer himself said he struggled with the jabs and he has a black eye. but WTF do they know? Then there's the fact Louis barely threw much more than the jab throughout the rounds. Rocky is a pressure fighter. If Louis wasn't landing any jabs and he wasn't throwing much else, why the hell did it take Rocky 8 rounds to get in range and break him down? If you aren't able to land any jabs on a pressure fight, you're dead. Especially a guy as relentless as Rocky. THINK! By definition, what an idiot sees is almost never on point. So you are already off to a bad start. If you're going to insult me, do it properly. And almost every time Rocky got inside, he got tied up and clinched. Rocky smothered his own punches or they were blocked or straight up missed. He missed more than a dozen of those overhand right counters. He looked like a complete amateur swinging his right like a baseball pitcher on multiple occasions. I can see just fine. I don't need to do any mythical manny pacquiao "watch the fight in slow motion" BS. Very ironic that you're saying my eyes don't work properly but you're saying you have to watch fights with the speed reduced. Again I ask how the hell Louis was keeping Rocky off of him if his jabs were being blocked/parried and he wasn't throwing much else? I said Rocky's nose was bleeding from getting hit by jabs AND counters. Btw, can you work on punctuating a bit? You're writing huge run on sentences. And Louis adjusted to those hooks to the body by blocking with his elbow. He was picking Rocky apart. The reason he lost is because Rocky had a huge gas tank and a solid chin and was able to simply overwhelm him with non stop pressure until something big landed. It's not like he outwitted or outboxed Louis. Louis' legs were already pretty bad at this point of his career and it got worse and worse throughout the fight. His diminished reflexes made it hard for him to dodge. Some jabs are meant to be a range finder, to make the opponent think or back off, to set something up, etc. For the majority of the fight, he was landing plenty of them. Louis himself said his legs were gone and much worse than in his prime before this fight even happened. But I guess, like Rocky, Louis is not a reliable source to you. It's like comparing night and day looking at the athletic explosiveness of prime Louis and the one Rocky fought. Nowhere did I write that Rocky "didn't" contribute to Louis slowing down. That was literally the point of my entire fight analysis, that the younger stronger guy broke the older slower fighter down with non stop pressure. Uh, no. Rocky was not "cleverly" dipping low because he was anticipating a counter. He was stumbling and nearly threw himself to the canvas because of how wild his punches were. This is more of the typical goofy Rocky revisionism that there was some method to the madness when the truth is he could be very wild and inaccurate. In terms of controlling the pace of the fight, yes Louis was dominating. He dictated things with the jab, and blocked/parried/dodged quite a bit of Rocky's attacks. He took away his offense. Rocky was very inaccurate and won because Louis' durability was shot and he broke him down by attacking the body and applying non stop pressure until Louis couldn't defend himself. I acknowledged what part Rocky contributed to Louis getting tired. I wrote it pretty explicitly multiple times so that's on you. It was a combination of Rocky's non stop pressure + Louis being old as hell with diminished reflexes + the wear and tear of a very long career. He didn't have the best chin in the world to begin with either. I mean if you can call just swinging for the fences until the opponent can't defend himself "tactical" then yes, he had the right tactics. Generally speaking against a shopworn old fighter, you want to fight at a high energy pace so that they don't get comfortable or cagey. Rocky would probably never win a decision attempting to outbox even this version of Louis, so he had the right idea. But he would have made things far easier on himself if he worked on his overhand right to counter the jab so that he didn't look like a caveman and shortened up his punches so they weren't so easy to dodge or block early on. Wouldn't really be laughing if I were you. You claim Rocky blocked 80% of the jabs, yet he got a black eye and struggled for 8 rounds to take out a shot old fighter who was mostly only throwing jabs? Do you have any idea how illogical that sounds?
I think you're being trolled, my friend. You've made perfectly valid points many times already. Forget that guy.
Guy is like 34 and posts like a 15 year old trying to get a reaction out of me. This happens over and over again and I don't get why people keep trying to annoy me instead of just talking boxing. If he can't learn how to write like an adult and use proper punctuation, he can get blocked like the other clowns.
So I asked 8bitvesti if Mike gibbons weighed 153 pounds and packey mcfarland weighed 152 , dude has specific articles for everything even when said Jack britton complained about packeys weight advantage . You on the other hand refer to mythical experts and writers etc and cant produce anything specific, You are lying or lazy which is it? Also who cares what writers said when you can ......watch....the ....actual.....fight....and see......for.....youself ......numbnuts! Rocky was in range and breaking Joe louis down as early as the first round, you are blind or too dumb to see it . Everytime rocky got in he got shots off before tied up hence why Joe was worn down as early as round 8\ You absolutely should watch the fight or sequences in 1/4th speed things happen so fast and while it looks like something happened (you thought joes jab landed at 8 minutes) when you slow it down you can see what actually happens, so for sure now I know you are lazy. Yes Joe was old and not doing what prime louis would have done ,but nowhere did Imply that he wasnt . You think 1 out of 18 jabs landed in an almost 2 minute span is plenty . Do you think 1 jab landed is plenty ? I think I will document jabs thrown vs landed I would be shocked if they are around 10 percent also I should have broke down the inside exchanges ,you think it was a tie up everytime he got inside when Rocky got his shots off. An example of tying up a boxer every time they got inside is Gene tunney vs Dempsey 1 and 2 note the differences .(assuming you can see the differences) Yes Rocky dipped after the right to save himself , its a common tactic dude ,jesus christ man! I am not interested in how you think Rocky would do against Joe in his prime,lets pay attention to reality here not speculation or maybe its reality to you since you think landing like 2 jabs a round is landing plenty . btw the right hand should be thrown similar to a baseball pitch! How does Rocky missing a bunch make him look like an amateur and not Joe getting most of his jabs blocked . Louis was not in control of anything dude the film proves it , you have to watch it carefully. Your logic is as dumb as is it gets too,If I block 99 jabs out of 100 thrown and 1 of them lands and bust my nose, does that mean that I had trouble with the jab or my opponent was effective with his jab ? damage over accuracy for you huh? nevermind jabbing is what got Joe clipped by counter overhands (that he didnt need to work on) and blocked jabs lead to rocky getting inside and beating up joe in the clinch(contary to what you didnt watch rocky was putting work on Louis on the inside. ) If you want what you described as controlling with the jab and tying up and nullifying any inside attack again go watch Gene tunney do this to Jack Dempsey and Go....get....your....eyes.....checked!...lolololol.
Not sure what's worse, trolls like the above or those that are too highly strung and get offended far too easily.
Okay man. You came here posting since the time you entered the forum like an entitled douche. You have been ran out of this forum by posters so many times but no matter how many times you look like a goose you post till the other person moves on that isn't winning I hate to break it to you. You post like someone on Facebook or Quora and it is embarrassing. You are in the run for the most obnoxious, dumb, entitled and uneducated poster of the year gold in all four in my eyes congrats. I am ashamed for you every time you post when it is so depressingly clear you would not even be the smartest boxing fan in a YouTube comment section. Know when to fold in life. Get a new hobby, or find a new forum maybe even get a new account here just use better grammar. Come back with some humility, actually watch boxing, open your mind and learn something.
I think an interesting argument could be made that prime Patterson beats 1955 Marciano. In fact, Rocky retired the next year saying he maybe had one or two good fights left. And since he never seriously considered a comeback until Ingo won the title from Floyd in1959, I get the impression he wanted no part of Patterson because of hand speed. You all can argue this but my eyes tell me Rocky was beginning to slip a little in his bout against Moore.
Lol he does read like some sort of amalgamation of every annoying Quora/Facebook poster. Is he Serbian loudmouth's alt? They both can't write worth a damn and have similar personalities and writing styles.
