Why do you think Canelo isn't better liked?

He's well liked outside of boxing forums which have way too many haters. Go to a sports bar for a canelo fight and see how many people love him. Go to his weigh ins or public appearances and see how many people like him.

 

I think he was fine tuning his act. Against Chavez, i thought he looked unusually buffed, the same feeling most got when Delahoya fought Vargas, but i gave Canelo the benefit of the doubt in my mind. Canelo was getting huge all of a sudden and looked spectacular against Chavez jr, and i was happy because i could sense the long awaited fight might soon happen, then they announced it after the fight. I did get that ppv because of the possibility of the GGG fight, to scout out Canelo at 164lbs and was pleasantly surprised by the announcement.

 

Too many BS descisions. He is also obviously cheating. He also has silly clauses like rehydration clauses and things like that. He is a cheater. He only fights guys that are old or shot or cant punch. He avoids punchers like Beterbiev, Bivol, and Benavidez

 

Not at the expense of another fighter that should have got at the very least one win of the two. If GGG got the win in the 2nd fight which i thought he won, then i could forgive the draw, but both, o hell no!!

 

Well against Chavez he didn't have to cut weight. It was the first time in his whole career that he didn't have to worry about making weight. So that would naturally give him a boost and a comfort level on fight night just based on the weight. He looked huge all of a sudden vs Chavez because it was at a much higher weight than he was used to fighting at. He needed that experience of fighting a bigger man before fighting GGG. Canelo didn't disappoint, he just needed that one fight vs a fighter who was naturally bigger before fighting GGG. The long awaited fight was not that long in boxing terms. Mayweather Pacquiao took 6 years to make happen. Canelo GGG took all of a year.

 

When your fandom runs wild like that, your objectivity goes out the window.

 

The way i remember it, He abused undersized Josecito Lopez, then he fought Trout when the Mayweather fight was already sighned. They had open scoring in that fight and i thought Trout got off to a great start, Trout just did a number on Cotto in his last fight. I thought Trout was clearly ahead after 4 rounds only to find out that Canelo was clearly ahead. At that point i knew the fight was basically over because Trout had no chance. Then came the Mayweather fight. Then sometime before the Angulo fight Canelo made his statement about only ppv. When i saw the Angulo fight, on the hbo replay i actually thought the fight was fixed and that somebody must have told Angulo that if he wins his a family member dies.In that fight Angulo looked like he was afraid to hurt Canelo and was pulling his punches. Angulo went life and death with Lara i reasoned. That fight and Hagler vs Leonard fight was the only fights that kind of thing came to my mind. At that time Canelo vs GGG wasn't even discussed, although the sparring videos between the two might have been around on youtube. I think that came out much later though.You know the rest. GGG just showed up on boxing after dark one day, i had barely heard of him. Didn't know him from Adam, but he was extremely impressive, and very humble.

 

16 months as Delahoya said after Canelo dumped the belt. Also if that was Canelo's natural weight, not having to cut as much, then Canelo really was a weight bully, and as suspected never had a reason to make GGG wait.

 

Let me simplify this for you. Clenelo isn't liked because (1.) He punked out against Fraud Mayweather and didn't go for it, which means he should have gone out on his shield. He will never, ever get close to the real Mexican warriors of the past. (2.) He was protected by DLH and he LOST against GGG 1. I can't say whether he won against GGG in their 2nd fight since I didn't watch it. Why would I? Only to see GGG get robbed again? (3.) His nauseating act of caring when he knocked out Khan. (4.) Just like DLH, he is such a fake person. Utter disgust at how he trys to act like a gentleman. I can't believe people swallow his act hook, line, and sinker. (5.) He perfected the art of cherrypicking while being promoted by DLH. Chose Kovalev once he was totally shot and wants to act like it was such a risky and dangerous fight.

Clenelo is an idiot and I haven't bought one fight of his and never will.

 

You mean besides the *gestures broadly at everything* reasons? Mystery.

 

I asked you to provide a source for the quote because I've found that routinely quotes and comments get attributed to Canelo that didn't actually come from Canelo. I'm not surprised that you can't produce this quote, and you'll have to forgive me for not relying on your foggy memory of something you remembered him saying. I'm not saying he didn't say it, this is the first time I heard of this, but until you show that he actually said that, it's hard to respond to something that you remember that can't be verified.

As far as the open scoring, I agree that I didn't like open scoring, but I'm not sure that the Mayweather fight was already signed going into that. Maybe it was, or maybe it was contingent on a Canelo win. Either way, Canelo as a fighter was just going out there to win. Whatever went on there behind the scenes can't be attributed to Canelo. Mayweather probably told him if you beat Trout I'll fight you, so clearly the Mayweather fight was on the line that night, but that doesn't prove a judging conspiracy existed to ensure he won just because there was open scoring. You can reasonably argue that Canelo deserved to be ahead after 4 rounds and won that fight pretty clearly. Surely you could give some of those rounds to Trout, they were close rounds but the body language favored Canelo, the clean landed shots that stood out were from Canelo.

One more thing about open scoring. I'm not a fan of it, but remember there was open scoring in Hearns Leonard 1, Hearns was well ahead after the early rounds, so you can make the same argument about how Leonard had no chance to comeback after the early round scores were revealed against Hearns, but Angelo Dundee said your blowing it kid and it lit a fire under Leonard knowing that he couldn't win on the cards to dig down deep and find the strength to get the stoppage. Now granted he had 15 rounds, Trout only had 12, but Trout got knocked down in the process and didn't win rounds convincingly enough down the stretch to deserve the victory. So you can object to open scoring all you want, but Canelo won that fight and he did it without any controversy. Maybe the potential Mayweather fight played a role there, but just watching the rounds straight up makes it very hard to score the match for Trout, especially when you factor in the knockdown.

You think every Canelo fight is fixed don't you. Again this is due to confirmation bias. You're like a detective who goes into an investigation with an agenda to convict someone beacuse of a feeling they have instead of letting the facts determine who is guilty. Your reasoning about Angulo pulling his punches is a product of your trying to make sense of that. Sometimes fighters become gunshy when they know they are in over their head and in with a far more talented fighter. The fact that you suggest that Hagler had some kind of death threats when he fought Leonard shows how delusional you are. There are people who claim Hagler really deserved to win that on the cards and was robbed, even though he clearly made the mistake of coming out orthodox and giving away the early rounds a deficit that proved to be insurmountable on the cards after he couldn't catch Leonard to get him out of there. When GGG showed up on BAD there was a lot to like about him. Back then he didn't have a raging fanbase who overhyped him and boldly predicted emphatic wins over Canelo that never happened.

 

Because he took drugs, paid judges to fix fights for him, held the middleweight belt hostage robbing Golovkin of his rightful reign, then waited years until Golovkin was old to fight him, and because he paid Kovalev to take a dive.

 

I hope that they touch gloves and then Beterbiev starts rolling on the mat in agony kicking his legs in the air.

 

For some reason this elicits a Kafkaesque insectoid mental image.

 

Eating meat isn't taking drugs. A fighter is not capable of paying judges or fixing fights. He never held the MW belt hostage, vacating a title is the opposite of holding the belt hostage. Holding a division hostage is what Mayweather did with the 154-lb titles after he beat Canelo. The is a term that I coined years ago that continues to be butchered by people who don't even understand what the term means. He didn't wait "years" to fight GGG. It happened one year later. GGG looking less than stellar against Brook started all this excuse making about Canelo taking too long to fight GGG. GGG fans miscalculated GGG's work ethic and ability to maintain the level that they thought he was at when they bragged about what would happen to Canelo if they fought. They thought GGG was invincible and were proven wrong by what happened in 2017 then again in 2018.