Andy Ruiz is overrated. He is the next Hasim Rahman

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  1. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Ruiz couldn't beat ANY other top ten fighter?

    I not a huge fan but please....


    Go look at rankings and think again
     
  2. Stiches Yarn

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    My man Ruiz was offered higher purses to fight the likes of Whyte, but declined and instead agreed to take on 40 years old arreola, who even at his prime wasn't that special, yet he knocked down the fat man and took everything he had the entire fight.
     
  3. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He couldn't even outwork Parker. old Chisora did better against Parker LOL. The same Chisora who was a gatekeeper in his prime. Ruiz isn't all that. I'd favor Hughie Fury to outbox Taco Bueno's number 1 customer. He is the physical manifestation of anything can happen in boxing
     
  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah prime Arreola was fringe contender at best, hell realistically he was a gate keeper. I mean Stiverne beat him twice, which means Ruiz Jr might not even be as good as Bermane Stiverne.
     
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  5. ForemanJab

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    Ruiz has far more natural talent than Rahman ever had. He’s just too lazy to ever realize his full potential.
     
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  6. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ruiz had an off night vs Arreola. I'm sure he'll have a better outing next fight.
     
  7. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Im sure him swapping rounds with gatekeeper Parker and getting outworked was also an off night
     
  8. vast

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    Hey now he battered Joshua into quitting.
     
  9. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Maybe or maybe it was simply a case of styles. Arreola was meant to be a cherry pick an opponent that would stand right in front of Ruiz to be KO'ed. They hadn't considered Ruiz's style also suited Arreola, one where they could both capitalise on their opponents tendencies. Ruiz was meant to be this era's Arreola only better and Arreola was meant to be shot so it seemed like a safe bet.

    I think it's possible Arreola isn't totally shot as many suspected. Yeah after losing to Stiverne then struggling vs Kaufman, Kassi and Harper he looked done. But he did give Kownacki a tough nights work and he's also in the best shape he's ever been in and despite getting stopped vs Stiverne he still has a good chin.

    Maybe Ruiz really isn't a better version of Arreola just a slightly different one but basically on the same level. Same defensive weaknesses and while faster and with better technique he's also far lazier and more out of shape than Arreola ever was. I guess it balances out.

    Whatever the truth is they'll need to be careful who they match Ruiz with next. The idea of fighting Ortiz will likely be scrapped even a 42 year old, inactive Ortiz might be too risky with how Arreola was apple to hurt him with left hand counters.
     
  10. Brighton bomber

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    Question is though was that due to how good Ruiz was that night or how bad Joshua was?

    I suspect the latter. Joshua's prep for that fight was unlike any other. He seemed more focused on promoting himself in the US than focused on Ruiz Jr. He said the right things but he did all the wrong things it was like watching the documentary Hamed did before losing to MAB. Hamed was more concerned with getting his hair cut and picking out his goat skin boxing gloves, Joshua was more concerned about showing you the gym he'd built in Miami and getting interviewed by a random rapper he clearly was a fan of in a mansion, it seemed less a training camp and more an exercise in narcissism.

    I guess we'll know for sure based on Ruiz's future performances.
     
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  11. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    True but hey he got schooled by a better prepared Aj. I really do think if Ruiz and Aj fought more 10 times, Aj would beat him every single time. I need to see more from Ruiz, because form what i can tell he might not even be as good as Chisora
     
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  12. Ph33rknot

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    Third fight my bad
     
  13. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Zhang is in the WBO top ten.. Again you think he cant beat a top ten rated fighter?
     
  14. MarkusFlorez99

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    Im talking about fighters rated right. Joyce, Fury, Usyk, Whyte, Hunter, Wilder and even the Rivas's and Ortiz's and Pulev's and the Kabayels and the Chisoras. Im not even sure he'd beat gatekeeper level at best past it Takam at this point. This showing against a shot Arreola was abysmal and the fact that he couldn't knock him out makes it worse, he's also seen as an equal to gatekeeper parker so yeah
     
  15. Brighton bomber

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    If we go off Boxrec's top 10...

    Fury - Ruiz would do well to win a round vs Fury.
    Joshua - He did beat Joshua but as you say I doubt that ever happens again.
    Wilder - Andy doesn't have the jab and is just too easy to hit, Wilder probably becomes the first guy to KO him.
    Usyk - Usyk boxes circles around him, Ruiz does well to win 3 rounds, might not even do that.
    Whyte - Whyte's chin is a liabilty, Ruiz has a puncher chance but Whyte would be favourite.
    Povetkin - Ruiz best chance of winning simply because Povetkin looks beyond shot.
    Parker - Already lost to him, don't think he would do any better in a rematch.
    Hunter - Could be competitive but Hunter is a busy fighter, moves well and has a good chin, Hunter wins on points.
    Ortiz - Ortiz is 42 at least but after the Arreola performance I actually favour Ortiz.
    Pulev - Pulev is old but his jab would give Andy problems. Pulev is pretty to watch but he is effective, he probably wins on points.

    I don't think it's impossible for Ruiz to beat one of these guys simply because Povetkin looks done and Whyte is so vulnerable and Ortiz is so old. But then I could probably make an argument that Chisora beats a shot Povetkin now and might be able to pull off an upset vs Whyte in a 3rd fight as he gave him 2 very close tough fights before.
     
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