Joel Diaz: Manny Pacquiao Is The Greatest Fighter of All Time

Hatton was the lineal champ at light welter

 

Sure he was. He was also KTFO by brittle knuckles Mayweather, and almost KTFO by feather fist Collazo, and shot Lazcano.

You want to pretend he beat a prime strong Hatton?

Come on man, be real.

 

He made the lower weights though apart from that one time he failed weight and then jumped up 2 divisions. Also remember he was 16 when he turned pro, so flyweight was natural for him then and he was only 20 when he was flyweight champion and I'm sure you don't weigh the same as you did at those ages, I sure as hell don't. So he was naturally a flyweight but as he aged out grew the division and yes by the end he was definitely a huge flyweight which is why he jumped all the way to Super Bantam at 21.

When Pac fought Ledwaba, he weighed 131lbs in the ring, Ledwaba weighed 135lbs. So at Super Bantam he was fighting guys his size or bigger and was only 9lbs above the weight limit.

When he moved up to fight Barrera he weighed 136lbs in the ring only 10lbs above the limit so again wasn't a huge featherweight. When Pac fought JMM he weighed 137lbs in the ring, JMM weighed 136lbs. Ohh 1lbs weight difference what a weight bully! So again at featherweight was fighting guys his size.

When he moved up to Super feather to fight Morales, Pac weighed 139lbs in the ring, Morales weighed 140lbs. So again Pac fighting a guy his size, he wasn't draining himself more than his peers to have a weight advantage.

When Pac moved to lighweight vs Diaz he weighed 147lbs but Diaz weighed 148lbs in the ring, so again he wasn't any bigger than his opponent.

When Pac fought Hatton he weighed 148lbs and Hatton weighed 152lbs, so at this point he was starting to fight bigger men than him.

So this idea he was a weight bully is false, maybe at Flyweight when he out grew the division yes but from Super Bantam to Light Welter he was fighting guys similar in size and then from Light Welter onwards he was fighting bigger men. People get bigger as they age, especially athletes who need to pack on muscle like in boxing. It's why most boxers eventually move up in weight.

 

very nicely laid out. good work.

 

He had no business at 147 that was why he looked average at welter but ir does not mean he was a shot. His win against Collazo was questionable but he was the man at junior welter before Pac defeated. I know you know were the great ones he defeated before Pac fought him

 

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Resume wise he can never be the GOAT. As crazy as that sounds, the older eras were just too stacked. In this regard I have Harry Greb as number 1, as his resume and achievements almost sounds made up.

H2H Pac is very high. There are not very many people at 130 - 140 that could beat him imo. He was a freak.

 

The greatest is a man he has already lost to….

…and I’m not talking about Jeff Horn.

it’s Floyd ‘Money’ Mayweather!

 

I'm talking about him at the lowest weights not when he was fighting MAB. He was getting ktfo because he was drained much like oscar where he was getting dropped at 130 but showed a fine chin after moving up.

 

You make 0 sense log off.

 

I just don't see how he can be GOAT.

Arguably lost to JMM 3-4X
Margarito catchweight (KTFO by Mosley)
DLH worse than catchweight, Oscar cashed out and weighed less than Manny fight night, division he had not fought in 7 years
Cotto catchweight (KTFO by Margarito)
Lost to Mayweather
Mosley too old (schooled by Floyd)
Lost to a fading Morales
Hatton (KTFO by Floyd)

Barrera, Bradley, Ledwaba, Thurman (still don't think he's that good) - full credit

He's a sensational fighter for sure but I don't see him getting past Duran, "Pretty Boy" version of Floyd ... just to name a few. No argument that Manny is an ATG but no way GOAT. Floyd has to be ranked higher and Floyd is not GOAT. Manny's career was as orchestrated as Floyd's but at least Floyd admits it's all about money. Bob had Manny fight names when the opportunity was good.

And I still say that nobody can be GOAT unless they are HW. Too many perks for being small like divisions only being 3-4 pounds apart, which is a joke.

 

Great post and his best win is not that great. How can you be considered the GOAT when your best win is MAB or a guy you never beat clearly in JMM? Please explain this? Great fighter no doubt but top 20 or 25 or 15 at absolute best.

 

He just said hatton was lineal. Who said Hatton was prime? Why do you create/invent your own dialog to argue with?
You said Hatton was shot, and you come back with this. You realize there is am ocean between being shot and being in one's prime? Yet. it's one or the other with you. This is why everyone makes fun of you. You can never be real or genuine.