Why do people say Usyk is too small for Joshua and Fury but still favour guys like Ali and Holmes?

Very good! These guys are so quick to put their hero fighters in the same league as the greats without them ever proving anything? Don't get me wrong, I will always root for Usyk, because he is a very skilled fighter and he is purposely putting himself at a disadvantage by moving up to heavyweight. Nothing but respect and admiration for the man. To your point, until he beats and dominates for a decent period of time at heavyweight, saying he is on the same level as proven greats is inaccurate to say the least.

 

I love Usyk, I’m backing him to beat Joshua. But this line of thought “ if you don’t think Usyk can beat AJ, then you have to think Ali and Holmes couldn’t either because they’re similar in size” is plain stupid and ignorant.

 

I forgot Usyk was equal in all aspects to Ali and Holmes.... d'oh!

 

But even Foreman was 220-230 lbs which is around Povetkin weight...

 

Because they were HW's that fought & beat other top HW's. Usyk is a CW that hasn't beaten an elite or top HW.

 

Ali and Holmes were proven commodities against much bigger or more powerful opponents.

Usyk so far has shown us some funny faces and one liners and only beaten a washed up Chisora and a total nobody whose name escapes me.

 

Because they were top-tier proven ATGs.

 

Putting Usyk in the same Class as Ali is the first Big mistake.!!

 

I think you shoul apologize to Smack Da Bun.
He made a very simple statement that HWs are greater than CWs. Which generally, or all other things being equal, is true.
You launched a nasty personal attack, repeatedly assuming without evidence that they huy was personalizing things, is obese (not that this would be a crime).

Name calling & cursing at him. Then were mean to another dude.
What happened to you Surriz?
Usually you just write detailed posts that get few responses because the lanuage is so hard to understand.
If you want more replies or folks to read & comprehend your posts, write in your native language & use a translation service.

But if you want RESPECT or not to be banned for Hate & Abuse eventually...

You should apologize.

 

There is no known PED-let alone training alone-that can make a gigantic creature like you postulate either have the cardio of a middle distance runner, nor move like a flyweight.

Nothing even remotely like that.

 

I was responding to someone who said the super heavyweights are akin to super humans in some peoples eyes.

I then said, yes, just imagine if we see fighters in the future that are...etc...you know the rest.

I made a thread about this issue a while back, and used Fury as an example of a naturally big guy that can also move well and has a decent engine etc...

Now, clearly, I'm taking liberty's somewhat, but my suggestion was it may well be possible that, in 30 - 40 years, as nutrition and diet improves in general, as sport science and training becomes more and more sophisticated, nature itself may through up bigger and bigger guys who then hone their abilities through hyper focused training and the other stuff I mentioned.

It is not inconceivable that we will see a 7ft 300 pound guy who can move in the way I said.

Heavyweights from 1920 were much smaller than those from 1950, and those from 1950 were much smaller than those from 1980, and today, on average, heavyweights are bigger than they were in 1980.

Who knows where we'll be in 2050, or 2100?

 

I think the term that explains it is called 'cognitive dissonance'. Lots of info on it now...from memory it hit the popular airwaves about two or three years ago.

 

Go look at usyks shoulders and wrists and compare them to Ali and Holmes !!!!

 

Heavyweights will always get bigger as humans will naturally get larger slowly but heavyweights increasing in size isn't necessarily because of that but more so more access to great nutrition and better conditioning. we're reaching a size cap. Its clear there have been tons of athletic big men for quite awhile now. Just look at basketball players. They were relatively tall and mobile even in the 70s and 80s and weighed about 225 on average and a few reaching over 240lb. SHWs in boxing have been around for over a century obviously but they were pretty methodical back in the early and mid 20th century. In the 80s and 90s though more athletic big guys have been boxing more. Riddick Bowe, James Smith, Lennox Lewis and Tyrell Biggs was the first of these upcoming SHWs and so much more appeared in the 90s like Grant, The Klitschkos, Akinwande, Mccline, Golota, Gonzalez, Savarese, Briggs, Ribalta and even giants 6'8+ giants like Lance Whitaker and Mike White.

Athletic 6'7+ 240lb+ Super heavyweights are not new, even in boxing. You had Akinwande, Grant and Vitali back in the 90s and early 2000s and unless we eventually get a 7 foot, 340 pound quick handed Ultra heavyweight that can dance on their toes then even a small 215lb heavyweight can still compete at the highest level if posseing enough skill and/or power like Usyk, or Holyfield let alone a 6'5+ 245lb heavyweight like Lewis

 

Good questions!
We can predict that due to a larger population, training/science & PEDs that athletes in sports where it is an advantage will continue to become on average larger.
While anything is possible, it is unlikely that humongous guys, the size of Shaquille O'Neil or larger, will approach the cardio & speed you suggest.

Why? Because even with all advances & advantages, having so much bulk, even if it is mostly muscle mass-even being so tall-detracts greatly from potential endurance & speed.
These are basic matters of physiology.
Still tnhe very big athletes are nowhere near the fastest & largest engine/VO2 max of small guys-even from the past before all the scien-terrific advantages.

There would have to be some sort of qualitatively different, breakthrough PEDs to accomplish this.
And/or genetic engineering that really finely manipulates physical traits.
It is a massive challenge to overcome the tremendous energy & oxygen requirements such large bodies have.
Or for them to be able to move said mass as fast as thin men.

While it is possible there will be such breakthroughs, there is no reason to assume this is likely within a few decades or this century.
Because it is not merely manipulating characteristics in a range of capacities...
But you would have to build mechanisms or assemble traits that could counter-indicate basic laws of normal bio-hsyics.