Floyd Mayweather Vs Sugar Ray Leonard who wins prime for prime

1. No, Duran and Leonard were simply better.

2. You are a delusional fanboy. Mayweather can do no wrong in your eyes.

3. Why is Mayweather's talent overblown? Because he boxed relatively weak opposition. He boxed has-beens and very ordinary boxers for much of his career. The weak opponents made his talent appear much better than it had any right to be. At times, such as the bouts with Castillo, ODH and Maidana, this became very obvious. If those dudes could trouble him, then superior boxers like the Fab 4 would have no issues beating him. This is without mentioning the failed drug tests, the massive rings he made his opponents fight in, etc.

4. Alvarez is not even top 50 all time. Stop overrating current boxers please. There is more to boxing history than Mayweather and Marciano, two boxers who wouldn't even crack the top 30 all time.

 

Stop hating.

He embarrassed both of them.

He was more skilled than Duran, Ray Robinson, and Ali combined.

#TMT4LIFE

 

Obsession with Marciano continues I see. He gets discussed enough and the only reason I discuss him is because he’s on half the threads. I’d prefer to talk about Archie Moore or a few others.

Marciano and Mayweather are both top 30. Ridiculous to think otherwise.

last time I will have a discussion with you if you can’t keep focused. I’m no fanboy. Because you can’t answer the question you shouldn’t respond by calling names or questioning my boxing knowledge.

I’ll ask one more time. How were Mayweathers skills over rated? I didn’t ask about his opposition. What about his skill set is overrated. What didn’t he do well?

grow up

 

No they don’t. Again, you are also only looking at the SPECIFIC versions who Floyd fought.

Even a prime version of Manny doesn’t rate above ALL of them. And certainly not the faded, injured version who Floyd fought in 2015.

Canelo isn’t on equal terms to ALL of the ‘Fab Four’ and again, not the specific version who fought Floyd, who barely beat Lara.

Floyd wasn’t more skilled than all of them. It’s just that they had different skills and styles. Floyd wasn’t on another level technically to those guys, as well as Benitez. He wasn’t technically superior.

Floyd could have hung with them. But Hearns and Leonard would have been big favourites over him, as he couldn’t have competed with them offensively at WW and JMW.

A fight against Duran at the lower weights would have been incredible.

Hagler would have been a JMW in today’s era.

 

Fine.

He often went back in straight lines when pressured. This made him susceptible to pressure boxers who could mix things up with feints and/or force him back on the ropes. This is why Duran would beat him. He'd force him back and swallow him up on the inside.

He was a low output fighter meaning he would be susceptible to Leonard's exceptional combos.

He didn't have much punching power. which would mean he wouldn't be able to get much going against Hearns who could only be troubled by powerful combination punchers at 147lbs.

He was also vulnerable to the jab from rangier boxers as ODH showed. This is another reason why Hearns would have an easy night against him.

He had holes in his game. He was just fortunate enough to face boxers that didn't have the ability to expose them.

 

They are in the top 30 most overrated boxers of all time.

 

Floyd wasn’t a lot more skilled than both Duran and Leonard.

They weren’t even close?

Ha!

Seriously man, have a word with yourself.

You are embarrassing yourself.

A fighter’s skill set can be broken down into many different departments.

Floyd had the best defence. But that is only one factor to look at.

What about everything else??

Do you want to debate it?


Regarding Compubox, there’s 2 things to consider:

1. It’s a flawed system which overlooks many factors.

2. Of course Floyd is going to have superior stats, when most of his opponents were over matched and lesser fighters than the ‘Fab Four’ and some of their opponents.


Floyd’s stats would not look the same had he have fought prime, ATG’s on the level of those guys.

If you want to debate, then objectively apply the relevant context needed.

 

Rewatch the ODH fight when you get a chance he really didn’t lay much on him as far as clean shots go. ODH was aggressive and I liked his tactic at the time but he got embarrassed (and I was an ODH fanboy at the time).

he had enough punching power to earn the respect of every fighter he ever got in the ring with. He would have had more KOs if he didn’t fight so cautious.

I never saw Floyd as someone who overtly went backwards in a straight line. He used angles very well and had exceptional defense even on the ropes. I never looked for that in particular and will keep that point in mind and look for it next time I watch him.

I agree on the low output but you have to admit his accuracy was so good he didn’t have to throw as much often landing more despite throwing a lot less

 

1. ODH wasn't embarrassed. He didn't do enough to actually win the bout, but it was close.

2. Duran couldn't get Hearn's respect, what chance would Mayweather have?

3. Watch his bouts with Maidana and Castillo. Both mixed things up and forced him back in a straight line.

4. I don't think that style of defence would have worked well against SRL.

 

You guys do realize the Fab Four fought a lot of guys not in the Fab Four right? Outside themselves the completion isn’t all that mind blowing. Compubox did follow those fights too. And like o stated earlier Leonard fought better completion but it’s not realistically that far apart . I’d be happy to debate the skill sets. Mayweather did everything better except throw combos and had less power. That should simplify the argument. Mayweathers countering ability footwork defense feignts accuracy exceeds the others.

 

Maidana wasn’t prime but will rewatch the Castillo
Bouts at a later date.

and the funny thing about this argument is I never picked Mayweather to win. All I stated was that it would be a good close fight.

my exact argument would be if it goes to decision it’s Floyd’s otherwise it’s a Leonard KO

 

I doubt that Rocky would be rated that highly on a P4P list.

Under traditional criteria, you are analysing a fighter’s skill set, who they fought and at what point, as well as their achievements.

Rocky Marciano is a legend of boxing, and obviously a HW great. But when you’re looking at fighters across all divisions, all throughout the history of the sport, I can’t see Rocky being ranked that highly.

He was a great in his own time. But he wasn’t greatly skilled, and he didn’t fight and beat many great, prime fighters in a strong era.

 

Benitez and Kalule?

 

Oscar did not get embarrassed.

Yes, he had enough punching power to earn the respect of the guys who HE FOUGHT. But his punching power would not have been respected by the ‘Fab Four’ at WW and JMW.

Yes, his accuracy was great.

In order to have beaten the ‘Fab Four’ he would have HAD to have thrown significantly more punches than he was used to throwing.

He would have needed a great offence in order to have beaten those guys.

 

I’d disagree. But that’s an argument for another thread