Jermell Charlo is the clone of Deontay Wilder at 154.

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  1. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    Jermell has atrocious footwork for a guy at 154. Just compare him to other guys at 154. His footwork isn't good. He's flat footed. So is Wilder.

    Jermell has an okay jab but can be low volume at times. So is Wilder. Both have the same technique when throwing the jab by the way.

    Jermell struggles with all kind of opponents. A decent boxer/counter-puncher caused him hell in Tony Harrison but also a pressure fighter in Jeison Rosario was having solid success if you exclude the KDs. Wilder struggled with boxers (Ortiz, Fury) but also struggled with the pressure and inside fighting of Fury in the rematch.

    Jermell has game changing power. He was losing badly against Jason Jackson and came back with a KO in the later rounds. He also ko'd Tony Harrison in the rematch (which was a close fight overall). He also had that close fight with Trout and he won that with two KDs, otherwise Trout would have won that too. Rosario fight was also very close and Rosario was really bringing the pressure and made Jermell holding for his dear life in some situations. But again he landed those big shots and dropped him before he stopped him. The KO1 against Lubin also another example of his insane power.

    Funny enough that both guys don't like each other.

    I kind of like Jermell a lot more though. I think his explosiveness and power are more impressive than Wilders at HW. You don't see guys like him often in the lower weight classes. Limited skills but very athletic, strong and big with big power in both hands. It's much harder to have success in the lower weight classes based on that attributes. 154 isn't a strong weight class but still...
     
  2. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    Yes. Of course. His power is a true game changer.
     
  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There's similarities in the sense that both have been down on the cards and came through with dramatic knockdowns / stoppages late in fights. Both are relatively low output fighters who are content to give away rounds knowing that they have fight changing power that can change the fight in one punch.

    But from purely a punch technique stand point, they are very different. Mell is a far more ferocious and dynamic counter puncher capable of throwing powerful hooks and looping shots at odd angles that can surprise opponents. Wilder just has crazy power for a heavyweight but his punching technique is less dynamic and more standard based on timing, with Wilder it's less about throwing looping punches and more just straight one-twos down the pipe with the occasional standard hook. Mell has shown an ability to avoid shots with upper body movemet them come back with massive counters at crazy angles.
     
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  4. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    Agree. But these are the different things you can only see because of Jermell being a 154er and Wilder a HW. Wilder also throws looping punches, especially when he hurt his opponents. He's known as "Windmill Wilder" for a reason. Jermell is a bit more compact and tight when throwing those kind of shots but still they have more in common than not in my opinion. Both are pretty decent counter punchers though. Wilder has a decent counter right. He ko'd many guys with that shot. Ortiz in the rematch i think was a nice counter right (well, not exactly a counter but it was a nice right countering a feint of Ortiz) and Breazeale as well.
     
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  5. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Jermell has sound fundamentals unlike Wilder. Really looking forward to Castano fight not only will the winner be undisputed champion but the matchup is great. Expect a war. Scientific war suit Jermell whereas an unscientific war suits Castano. Either way I see a late knockout.
     
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  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Very true, you can expect Mell to be more dynamic as a puncher as he's a smaller guy, generally smaller guys have better technique. But I feel like Mell completely abandons the jab more than Wilder does. Mell has a good jab when he uses it but he just seems to have so much confidence in his power that he doesn't even try to establish it, like in Harrison 2 he was just giving away rounds by not using the jab at all. Now granted it worked out with his tremendous power punching but it was a very risky strategy. Wilder at least tries to work behind the jab at times. The punch technique is quite different and the upper body movement from Mell so calling him a clone of Wilder is a bit much but they are similiar in some ways in that they believe in their power, are content to give away rounds to conserve their energy for the late rounds, they both believe in their ability to get a late KO.
     
  7. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    I don't think Jermell really likes a war in any way. Jeiso Rosario was trying to make it a war and Jermell was holding for his dear life every time Rosario came too close. I think Charlo will have to stick & move and he might win easily and comfortably. But Castano will definitely come forward and work that body which is one thing i might see Charlo struggling with. He hates body shots and was slightly hurt by one of Rosarios early on. He's not reacting too well. Jermell also hates body shots by the way.

    I also think he will struggle to clinch Castano up as Castano is way smaller and it's usually tough for big guys to clinch up smaller guys. Small guys can easily free themselves and continue to work. But i agree it's a very, very good matchup and the best matchup you can see at 154 pounds right now. Really looking forward to it. Castano is an absolute warrior and has beaten guys like Spence for a reason in the amateur ranks. He's well rounded and good everywhere. His chin also pretty damn good.
     
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  8. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    Jermell is the better boxer compared to Wilder. No question. But i think their fighting style is pretty similar at times and both sharing attributes like limited skillsets but big power as an equalizer. Of course Jermell is moving different, he looks more fluid and more like a boxer but considering he fights at 154 he's probably one of the more robotic guys with limited skills and not the greatest technique if you compare him to guys like J-Rock or even some elite guys at 147.
     
  9. Brighton bomber

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    Yeah I get why you say that they do rely on power and yes Jermell's footwork is indeed atrocious, it might be even worse than Wilder's. Jermell also can be really wild with the right hand, I mean does he know how to throw a right hand without the rear foot lifting or being dragged forward lol, he puts so much into it, it over balances him, which Wilder is prone to do at times.

    But there are differences. I think Jermell has far more variety, his combinations are more compact and effective he often throws wildly but sometimes it's clearly designed to open a guy up or move them into a shot. His defence is different too, he's not just all reach and head movement and trying to slip every shot, he adopts the high guard when he's looking to be aggressive can block then throw back.
     
  10. African Cobra

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    That is why I referred to scientific war suiting Charlotte and unscientific war suiting Castano.
     
  11. African Cobra

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    154 is a very strong weight class actually and Jermell is at the top. I have not been a big fan of him but give credit where it is due. If he beats Castano he is definitely a P4P guy and he will deserve to be.
     
  12. m.s.

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    I think Castano is aggresive and scientific.
     
  13. African Cobra

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    Yes he is which is why Charlotte needs to make it scientific otherwise it could be tricky.
     
  14. Pimp C

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    I hate to admit this but Mell has regressed as a fighter back when the twins first got started he was the better boxer of the two. When he left shields his boxing skills went down and his new trainer, Spence's trainer had him focusing on sitting down on his shots more. At first it seemed like a good fit but as he's had more fights under him he's started to fall in love with his power and like wilder is almost content to lose rounds looking to load up waiting for the perfect counter or opening to land his one hitta quitta. That works sometimes but it won't work all the time. He needs to start boxing more using the jab upping his workrate and that big shot will come to him instead of waiting on it while getting out worked With that said he's much more complete than wilder but I think the comparison is an accurate and fair one. Imo he made a big mistake leaving shields.
     
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  15. Alo2006

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    For the first time, I disagree with you. I will say he has fell in love with his power a bit. Coach James actually stays on Jermell about that. Jermell hasn't regressed in my opinion. He just love getting want the fans like, a knock out! He came to coach James wanting to increase his power, and coach James has helped him. The only comparison of him and Wilder is that they want to KO everybody. Jermell listens to his coach instructions and actually has skills. Wilder rely on power all the time and his athleticism. Go back and watch some of his fights like the Harrison first fight where he was trying to load up on punches. Coach James was telling him to stop loading up so much and use his jab more to get in closer.
     
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