How steep was Hagler’s decline following the Hearns and then the Mugabi fights?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Well said young man!
    There's a few on here that like to nit pick over trivial things.
    Shows what their like in real life I suppose.
     
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  2. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A bit but Hagler would always be troubled by Leonard's combination of speed and ring intelligence

    Hearns and Mugabi both took much more punishment than Hagler did
     
  3. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    He declined quite a bit from Hearns to Mugabi IMO. The Hearn's fight took some out of him and he was at that career stage too where it was gonna show. He looked far less sharp against Mugabi than in previous and it was noted in live time by the commentators.

    As Sal said he also wasn't fighting enough for an aged fighter that had kept a busy schedule previously.

    As some have also stated Leonard would always have been problematic. Flash said it well.

    Ray Arcel always thought the Hearns fight took some out of him -

    Ray Arcel - "When i saw the Hagler - Hearns fight, i knew that Hagler would not fight Hearns again. He took murderous punches. When Hearns hits you, you kinda stay hit. Hagler was subjected to more punishment than Hearns, but Hearns didn't have the stamina or endurance that was needed. Once the cork comes out, there's no putting it back in. Hagler knocked out Hearns in the third round, but he got hurt. He wouldn't want to walk on the same side of the street with Hearns again."
     
  4. TheWorstEver(TWE)

    TheWorstEver(TWE) Active Member Full Member

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    The wear & tear was evident, he was painfully slow but I agree with a previous poster, that's not why he lost. He lost because he gave away the first 4 rounds trying to be cute.
     
  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Hagler`s opposition was far better than Wlad`s.
     
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  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ray fought Kalule at 154 and Kalule had nothing like the reach, power and endurance of Hagler Ray walked through him. Benitez was awful at 160, look at his bout v Hamsho compared to Hagler`s bouts v Hamsho, Benitez stood in front of his opponents using fantastic head movement, no fighter could stand in front of Hagler and beat him, Ray used tons of movement and had a much longer reach than Benitez. Benitez didn`t land more shots on Duran than Hagler did, he slipped more because at 154 he had quicker reflexes than Hagler had at 160.
     
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  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Hearns went into decline after the Hagler fight aside from the Shuler figt Hearns wasn`t that great in the rest of his fights during the 80`s, Mugabi went into free fall after his bout v Hagler. Hagler was a more inteligent fighter than Leonard, but Ray had a speed advantage and ran a lot.
     
  8. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Indefatigable? He might find he is not so immune to fatigue. Perhaps if he read his post history...?
     
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  9. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Good post.
     
  10. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hagler was very slow in the Mugabi bout. Ray would of always presented problems but Hagler was pretty spent by time they fought
     
  11. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s Full Member

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    Weird how people treat Hagler like he was prime for Hearns but ancient for John Mugabai. Apparently for the Leonard fight he was a husk?
     
  12. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s Full Member

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    Also to the people acting like Hearns took his prime it was one hard round. Truly, stop with the romance Tommy was taken to the sword.
     
  13. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hagler was decline a bit ever since the Duran and Roldan matches.

    1985 he postpone Mugabi due to back injury & broken nose & cut eye & was out 11 month off before it the Mugabi match eventually.
    he was 13 month out of boxing between Mugabi and Leonard.
    66 professional matches. not soft ones. hard trains run in army boots 6 miles. old school. might not be good for prolong the legs either.

    he was past it of course. way past the peak.

    this was all known & a lot commented isn't it. at the time?
     
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  14. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    it's not steep decline in time
    only might appear to be so .from 1 match to the next
    due to inactive
     
  15. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hagler's decline was apparent & a mainstream talking point throughout 1986. he was mainly regarded as semi retired going in with Leonard. his last fight. not many doubted. few of the up and coming middle weight expected him to stay around . he was a champion past his peak look towards retire & had very tough defences against younger challenger Mugabi. made it obvious.

    nothing to do with his managers.

    & what is wrong with retiring to Italy?
     
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