Holyfield-Holmes Scoring

Nice post! I do not consider myself skilled at scoring fights, curious at what others see.
How did you score Holyfield vs. Foreman?
Do you think Holyfield was appreciably better or more prime in either fight?

Also, do you agree that while Evander did at least slightly better vs. Foreman, George was likely more impressive considering that a slugger like him is at a style disadvantage-just like Foreman would take out a swarmer like Frazier while Holmes at least would have a much harder time of it?

 

I felt like that. I wanted Holy to step up and prove himself a true great here. It going the distance only proves that Holmes had a great chin, and the experience to survive but maybe not win all the big fights anymore.

 

I absolutely agree. It was way too competitive.

When you bring that up in hindsight of the BF24 Mummy Fetish (good ol George), who looked extremely solid by blocking punches with his face, the croud suddenly switches to "both did very well!"

 

Imagine if this fight was a draw?

 

@PhillyPhan69 keen to treat this one as a scorecard thread??? I will score it myself in here this week as well.

Lets get some cards a happening.

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I thought Holyfield won by 2-3 points

 

I left this fight thinking about how good Spinks win over Holmes that took place 7 years earlier looked. I had Holy winning by a couple of rounds but Holmes certainly had something left in the gas tank. This fight, the Mercer fight and the McCall fight showed how dangerous Holmes was even at an advanced age.

 

I used to play poker with a guy who insisted for years, but it began after the Holyfield-Holmes fight, that he could beat Holyfield.

People forget how truly awful Holyfield's first heavyweight title reign was viewed.

The difficult defense against the 42-year-old Foreman was roundly criticized. Getting floored by late late sub Cooper - who stepped in for late sub Damiani - sent off alarm bells. And the Holmes fight, where Holyfield could've easily lost on cuts, really had fans down on the Real Deal.

Then he lost to Bowe.

Those wins aged better than they looked at the time. If Evander never returned to the ring after the first Bowe or Moorer loss, I don't know how he'd be viewed today. He announced his retirement after both.

Probably not highly.

It really took him a long time to win people over.

 

Before you guys score this, use this HD version!

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Fyi, this version losses audio somewhere around the 8th round, in case that bothers you.

 

Evander Holyfield vs Larry Holmes

World Heavyweight Championship

1992

EH : LH

1: 10 - 9 Clear Holy round on aggression. Holy parry on point.
2: 9 - 10 Good round. Holmes more effective with his in fighting
3: 10 - 9 Holmes jab mostly parried. Beautiful right from Holy.
4: 10 - 10 Nothing of note 'till the last minute. Lovely infighting.
5: 10 - 9 Closer. Holmes just not active enough.
6: 10 - 9 Holyfield working and landing. Holmes both slothful and ineffective.

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7: 10 - 9 Closer. Holmes still just a little too inactive and isn't effective enough to negate that.
8: 10 - 9 Holmes just wasting too many opportunities
9: 9 - 10 Holyfield losing effectiveness. Holmes picking his spots well.
10: 9 - 10 Momentum shift - Larry now the centre ring general and Holyfield missing, lowering activity
11: 9 - 10 Close. Holmes effective but Holyfield worked the entire round being only a little less so.
12: 10 - 9 Holmes again wasting a good round by being lazy for it's majority

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TOTAL: 116 - 113 HOLYFIELD


Notes:

• I didn't find this very hard to score and honestly don't see the controversy about it. Holyfield was definitely the better man until the cut affected his work and range, and he still took rounds even then.
• Holmes tries to steal it near the end of most rounds.
• Holmes wasting too many opportunities for the majority of the fight, and his jab was not effective enough to negate his laziness, as Holy constantly parried and blocked and rolled it.
• Holmes coming on strong. If he was more active it is possible he could have got a draw or even won.

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Holmes had long since retired when Don King proposed him to fight Tyson. He accepted only for money. With more training he would have gone to decision even with Mike imo. Great fighter.

 

I'll review it this week as well.