Reminder - Clinching is illegal

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  1. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Amazing Fact:

    Naoya Inoue initiated a clinch for the first time in his life in the Nonito Donaire fight.
     
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  2. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    People who justify excessive clinching don't actually believe in/like this gross and illegal form of spoiling, but defend it only because it's their guy(s).

    You'll never actually hear one of these morons say that they're hoping X will clinch the **** out of XX on fight night.
     
  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Refs don't deduct points for clinching because it puts them in a tough position.

    If you deduct a point for clinching then the next stop is to give a Disqualification. No ref wants to DQ a fighter for clinching.
     
  4. FartWristedBum

    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

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    Khan had two points deducted though, I thought they were both for 'pushing'..?
     
  5. FartWristedBum

    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

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    Anyway, hugging has been tolerated since back when 20+ rounds were expected from fighters. It was surely so that fighters could last the rounds and not be too tired.
    Perhaps fighters were complicit that a decent 5-10 seconds of a clinch was more palatable to the crowd than constant 'Jr Witter style' non-engagement.
    With 12 round max fights, I expect pro boxers to manage a full fight without resting during rounds. And I agree fully with the OP, hugging should be fully punished, it's cheating. It has far less penalty than pushing FFS, how can that be right...?
     
  6. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    If boxing strictly enforced no clinching, history would be very, very different. I'd be all for it. This isn't wrestling, it is the art of punching.
     
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  7. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    I think they were both for pushing. At least the last one was.
    His pushing was absolute ridiculous tho. It was such a blatant foul and he kept doing it over and over.
     
  8. ertwin

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    Not thats an offensive foul still, you might abuse it to stop the fight for a second but its still a offensive foul in nature.
     
  9. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Problem is these days there are few that know how to fight out of a clinch much less on the “Inside”
     
  10. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly this. Boxing is the art of hitting and not getting hit, not wrestling.

    Everybody will say; I want to see great head movement, fast reflexes, fast hands, fast feet, good footwork, good workrate, a great left hook to the body, a great jab etc.

    Casuals will say “punchhhhhh himmmm! Beat him upppp!” Not once has anyone ever said I want them to hug the fk out of him. I want him to utilise his hugs well. I want him to up his hugging workrate.

    As for the excuse;
    - it can’t be enforced properly - it’s plenty enforced the Ams just fine. I’ve seen hundreds of amateur fights and I never see excessive hugging, barely any hugging in fact.

    - punch your way out… great advice. I wonder why non of Ruiz opponents could do that. I wonder why Tyson just didn’t do that? I mean tall fighter has their advantage with reach from the outside, short fighter has their advantage on the inside. But let’s take that advantage away from the short fighter which balances things out by tolerating an illegal move, hugging.

    Tyson would have had 100% KO during Rooney days had his opponents not been allowed to hug the fk out of him.
     
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  11. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, that’s a defensive foul. You were defending yourself with a punch to his nutsack.

    In basketball, hugging someone to stop them from dunking on you (defensive) is as much a foul as blatantly barging them with an elbow offensively. They’re both fouls, they’re both penalised, they’re both cheating. Now imagine basketball refs just tolerated people suddenly hugging Lebron as he’s about to dunk on them? Hug his leg for all I care, it’s fine.
     
  12. FartWristedBum

    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

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    Well, I've requested many times on here for anyone to show me a championship fight where 2 points were deducted for pushing. As in, ever, in the history of boxing. I haven't seen it yet but I can readily show you many, many examples of championship fights where there is far more pushing than Khan showed against Peterson. And let's not forget, those two points entirely change the result of the fight.
    I'm no Khan fanboy and believe he lost obviously to Diaz when he got the nod, but that Peterson fight, he got utterly shafted and robbed by blatant corruption imo.
     
  13. ertwin

    ertwin Active Member banned Full Member

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    Ok so when I stab somebody because he attacks me then that is as much a defensive action as if I would run away from him or hide behind something?

    basketball is not boxing, the sporta intention is not to hurt each other which is the case in boxing.
     
  14. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So you’re committing a crime to a rule being broken in sport. Where are you going with this? Stick to sports. It can be rugby, soccer, tennis, basketball. In basketball, a hug and an elbow are treated the same, both fouls that prevent the opponent from “scoring”.

    In boxing, a hug does the exact same thing as a low blow, prevent the opponent from scoring, either with punches, knockdown or KO.

    How you can’t see this is beyond me.

    And just going back to your point. If someone tries to assault you, whether you respond with a knee to his nutsack or wrestle him down, both are considered “self DEFENSE”.
     
  15. MyDentedHead

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    They love it when it's their guy clinching over and over like Haney fans but then again Haney did what he had too and it's also the other boxers responsibility to be able to stop a clinch which is part of the game.