Why Prime Mike Tyson beats a 70s George Foreman

Don't worry. These forums are for everyone to either like or dislike your post. It's really ridiculous. I'd rather debate you privately instead of pumping my ego to get others to agree publicly. Because neither of us are going to change our stance.

 

We disagree. Choppers like you and i boxing are need i even say vastly different to top flight world champs like Tyson. Same with much of our other sports. They are highly refined athletes who have honed skills beyond our wildest fantasies.

 

They are indeed. No sense crying or openly whining.

 

Remember...Foreman got off the canvas in the Lyle fight in 1976...and he came back to win! Tyson NEVER climbed off the deck and came back to win a fight....

 

Not sure why this is such a big deal. Maybe Tyson was too good to put on the canvas, even in his defeats he only got dropped in round 8, round 10, round 11.

 

That's because you had to almost drop a building on Tyson before he made it to the canvas.

 

Tyson TKO 6. I've been back & forth with this & most of the skills, & attributes between the 2 favour Tyson. Tyson is faster, more-skilled, better defensively, has better footwork, better two-fisted power, a better combination puncher, & his chin was more proven than 70s Foreman (Foreman showed a granite chin in the 90s, but he showed an average chin at best in the 70s). Foreman could rock Tyson early like Bruno did, but I don't see him winning - (unless he is allowed to get away with his grappling, rough-housing tactics).

 

Foreman knocks him out plain and to the point

 

I keep trying to sympathize with other perspectives that have Mike winning. But Mike only had one way of fighting (and I'm thinking of the PRIME Mike for this fight, the 90s would have been murdered worse by prime George).

Mike would come right at him, and without question hurt him and quite possibly drop him hard. But sooner or later...for instance, remember how wide open for the right hand Mike was when he launched his own? Holyfield knocked him across the ring...Foreman would hospitalize him. You can't come at Foreman the way Mike ALWAYS did and not get pulverized.

Mike wouldn't make it out of the 3rd round, and I'm being charitable.

And this is coming from someone whom has grown greatly in his estimation for Iron Mike since I've been on this forum. Mike was h2h a NIGHTMARE for practically any past and present heavyweight champ...except Foreman, Ali, Louis, Holmes...probably Liston and maybe 1992 Bowe.

And, even though Larry Holmes is on that list, he would likely have to survive a vicious knockdown to come roaring back to stop him.

 

Not good enough to get knocked silly by guys who weren't considered great punchers in the 90s.

 

The no defense method fails George and he gets beaten up. It ends like the Thomas fight.

 

Yes Tyson is totally different than Frazier,, Frazier got up 6 times and was on his feet when the fight was called. Tyson will crumple to the mat and stay there after his second knock down, and this time he won't be looking for his mouth piece .

 

Another big difference between Tyson and Frazier is that Frazier can be felled with single shots early in the fight. Tyson took bombs from fighters who at least had comparable power (possibly more but who is to say) to Foreman and snorted through them. That's why you've never seen Tyson rise 6 times off the canvas in a fight. And even when Tyson did get dropped he was never sparked completely out. He went out on his shield and either got to his feet (Douglas), stayed on his feet (Holyfield) or tried getting to his feet (Lewis). This was all late in fights, I might add.

 

Cool post. The weird thing is he took at least a dozen, terrifying shots from Razor Ruddock, whom it could be certainly argued had Foreman-level power in the left hand, and kept standing. Yet Holyfield had him out on his feet from a single right hand the last round before the stopage of their first fight...I mean DROVE him across the ring with it. Plus, I'm pretty damn sure Douglas wasn't even as powerful as Holyfield.

No question Mike could take a shot...check out some of those murderous rights he ate from Lewis. We can't say it was fatigue that necessarily ruined him against Douglas and Holyfield...Smith knocked him REALLY good at the end of their 12 round fight, probably harder than either of the above did. Mike was still there.

So it must have been other factors.

 

Holyfield gave him a fair beating over numerous rounds and it was. The Holyfield fight was also 5 1/2 years after the Ruddock fights. There's plenty of scope for reason there.

Douglas pasted him round after round after roundas well and as Eddie Futch says when you haven't paid your dues preparing and aren't in shape you can't shrug off the damage from punches anything like you can when fully prepared.

I think it is more than fair to say that Tyson was in vastly better shape for Ruddock than he was for Douglas. Anyone would have learnt that lesson after such a pasting from Douglas.