Why Prime Mike Tyson beats a 70s George Foreman

Dude, a debate that deep on Hagler-Duran would be entertaining as hell to read. That and similar topics are what keep this place ticking. And that is why I keep coming back here...and for the usual Tyson threads of course!!

Thanks a ton for the kind words. It's very encouraging and I'm definitely not taking it the wrong way. You've seen my highs and lows so I'm glad you've been here through the long haul. You're a cornerstone on this forum for sure.

 

Very plausible and a good description of how this fight could play out. And I really didn't know Foreman was your #2 guy! Who do you have in that one, Holmes or Foreman?

 

Cheers mate. I have years off here and there but try not to get into long winded debates nowadays so i don't get sick of it LOL

I reckon our debate is one that got lost in the big whatever it was that happened years back. Couldn't find our Tyson - Holmes debates either so i reckon they too are wiped.

Good stuff.

 

comeback forman beats tyson. If not, they woulda fought.

 

Um what?

 

can you read? I dont know how to do a voice message.

 

Shavers II era-Holmes stops Norton-Foreman in 10, though Foreman quite likely would score a knockdown in the middle rounds.

In fact, I see the first two rounds being quite good for Larry, in that he'd just jab and move and tie George up when he got too friendly. He'd probably land a right in the second that would knock sweat off of GF's head, but after that things would get rough for Larry.

I think Holmes would start getting hit with at least glancing shots in the 3rd, enough to make him bicycle a bit. He'd still do the jab-try-a-right-hand-and-grab, but by the 4th he'll be starting to get conscious of the power of George. A right would drop him outright in the 5th, but he'd make it back up. The problem is, George is a far better finisher than Shavers and Weaver, and Larry is in such a bad way he has a point taken away for holding. He's too shook to offer up much offensively, and he spends the next two rounds mostly just staying away and trying to keep George from coming too close in general.

Trying to finish Larry in the 5th took more out of George than he shows at first, but he gains points in the rounds proceeding mostly just for aggressiveness (plus Larry's abovementioned caution). But by the 8th he's looking very fatigued and Holmes finds the range for his jab. George's forward movement slows up as Larry lands that vicious, twisting, uncannily accurate jab again and again. The ring announcers are starting to note the change in tide.

In the 9th the right hand starts landing on George, and he's looking very uncomfortable taking those shots. George is winding up, but the shots are looping and Holmes is having little problem avoiding them. Larry at the end is landing the left right almost at will, Foreman goes back to his corner looking shook bad, and not confident at all.

In the 10th George misses a hook that turns into a hard rabbit punch on the back of Holmes' head and Larry gets pissed. He counters a lunging right with a slightly looping right that staggers George, then drops him with another. George is up and looking bad at 5, and Larry just starts his usual avalanche-of-rights finishing technique. George blunders across the ring very clumsily...not all the shots are landing but he's stopped punching. Ref stops the fight just a bit before the bell rings, and George actually looks...grateful.

 

Damn dude! If you're not a writer you should definitely try to make money while the pan is hot. I can envision this entire thing from start to finish. And I like this scenario even. Both guys get their licks in with a wild finish for the ages!! I agree on the outcome.

 

Who beats who is only secondary.

But PRIMARY and FIRST AND FOREMOST its really ridicolous how things have evolved in the last 5-10 when it comes to how fighters of Ali´s generation getting overrated as hell, and fighters like Tyson himself getting underrated as hell.

Yes, i say a 22-25 years old Ali (1964-1967) most probably beats a 20-23 years old Tyson (1986-1989), but this doesnt mean Tyson is not superior in some fields to all of Alis opponents in one package.

You have to be blind not to see that a prime Tyson is MUCH (not a little bit i mean MUCH) faster than a prime Frazier, prime Foreman oder prime Liston.
Prime Patterson only can match Tysons handspeed, but not his overall movements.

Fact is: Tyson has only an average heart or sligthy below, even his extrem fanboys still deny this. You can only judge after results, and even if Tedy Atlas statment about Mike never overcame adversitiy (he did against Bruno), his heart was nothing special and he could be broken mentally.

But fact is also Tyson had a total package of speed, power in both hands (contrary to Frazier) and agility that no Foreman, Fazier, Liston, Shavers or any of Alis opponents had.
But this gets denied today.

Even Atlas who is so critical towards Tyson says he would beat Frazier because Frazier had only one strong hand. Yes Joe has much more heart but he would most likely have ended like he did against Foreman.
Tyson had the speed and the DELIVERY SYSTEM (totally underrated this factor by many fight fans) to get in and hurt someone incredibly fast.

Some guys like Shavers have tremendous power (you can call him the hardest puncher in HW history) yes, but Earniers delivery system was not 20% of Tysons.

Delivery system = ability to bring your power and/or speed to the opponent to do damage.

Many ppl have tremendous power for example, but they never deliver their full power to the opponent since they dont have the delivery system to do so.

I am sure if Valuev punches someone who stands still with his 148 kg (328 lb) could maybe bring more damage as even Shavers could, but Valuev simply had absolut zero delivery system at all, his punches were cheap and he was only able to deliver maybe 60% of his power to the opponent.


Buttom line:

NO doubt Ali is the leading candidate for being the GOAT in HW and its 100% correct!

But it doesnt change the overhyping of some of his opponents getting ridicolous man!

A shortly after prime Foreman lost to Jimmy Young because the guy moved so well. And a prime Tyson can move well too. Of course a prime Formen kills anyone who stands in front of him, but he will always have trouble with guys who can move and have a at least solid chin.

Would a 70s formen destroy a 95 Axel Schulz in 1-2 rounds?
If you aks me no!
Why?
Because Axel had a very good chin and his biggest strenght was his footwork. He moved always in and out, left to right, right to left, etc., and could take punches, Foreman would always have his troube with him.

But a prime Tyson would KO my countryman Axel in 5-8 rounds because of his speed, power, agility and delivery system.

 

StoneHands also had the very unique opinion Liston was the greatest H2H fighter of all time. Not sure I agree but I’ll embrace it since Liston is my favorite fighter.

 

I think Liston is a pretty darn good choice in that area, the guy who demolished Patterson seemed to be the perfect Destroyer. Certainly Ali, Holmes, Holy, Foreman, Klitsch, and Lewis would have had big problems with that guy imo.

 

Thanks Sangria! It's a lot of fun to write about that kind of stuff, as Holmes-Foreman is a HUGE fantasy match up for me.

Your input is generally quite valuable, my friend.

 

I think he's saying that Tyson didn't want any part of Foreman

 

My best times on this forum were discussing how fighters would fare in H2H with @Stonehands89. We did a Holyfield Vs Marciano, which delved into Liston Vs Marciano and Foreman Vs Marciano debate.

I concur with @JohnThomas1, Stoney could make you doubt your strongly held position and reconsider aspects you never imagined would show up.

I don't know who I'm supposed to be checking for these days in terms of engaging debate but I am around and I am posting.

There's some good discussion material - just have to sift through mountains of repetition.

 

you have legend San for years I read the pages and trolls still say the same thing it had nothing to do with anybody being scared

why do people wanna make it seem mike was scared why is that something to want to make true I dont understand if mike was scared of George why is the other people mike didnt fight is never brought up

why is it only George He was scared of why not just say mike was scared of all the boxers he didnt fight