Explain to me that why Tyson hit harder than Shavers ?

Both men hit extremely hard.

Tyson was much faster and had a greater punch variety. Tyson could change a fight with an overhand right, a left hook, or an uppercut with either hand.

When one guy is that much more dangerous, does it really matter if you split hairs on which Heavyweight Knockout puncher hit marginally harder?

 

There’s only one way to find out who hit harder and I wouldn’t want to try it

 

Leverage, upper-body strength, steroids.

 

I'm a Catholic and prone to feelings of guilt and the need for absolution.

I just read the original post and am of the mind I now owe the world some sin. No need to wear the hair shirt tonight after making my way through that face-planting of the keyboard.

 

I'll try to address some of the main points

1-yes speed and not seeing a punch coming are two of the biggest factors that lead to a knockdown. If you watch the Tyson vs Tillis knockdown, Tyson looked at Tillis legs and saw he was off balanced and threw a punch with perfect timing to score a knockdown. Tillis wasn't hurt at all, he was dropped because his feet were in a poor position and Tyson's punch came at an angle he wasn't prepared for. Compare this knockdown to the Berbick fight and it's like night and day. Tyson lands a monstrous bomb with bad intentions and Berbick drops like a sack of potatoes.

2-this leads to the next point which is that the effects the Punches have on the opponent are very telling. Body language says a lot. Keith Thurman is horrible at this and gives it away whenever he is hurt to the body, look at how he literally turned and ran as fast as he could when Collazo, Pacquiao, etc hurt him to the body. Those shots hurt him far more than the flash knockdown he suffered against Pacquiao (Thurman actually smiled and got right back up with no fear).

3-another thing to look for is impact. If a boxer's punches are making sweat fly and sending ripples/shockwaves through the skin, you know there was a good hit. Swollen/shut eyes, bruises and cuts are another indicator that someone's punches are very hard with or without a knockdown. Sometimes the opponent is in very good shape/had good legs and simply won't go down. Ali vs Terrel or Pacquiao vs Margarito are two brutal displays of power that should have been stopped. It's very unhealthy for a guy to just be taking punches like that assuming they're not badly hurt just because they weren't dropped.

4-as for Tyson vs shavers...it really isn't that complicated. Many opponents of Tyson have said other people hit harder and it really isn't that hard to believe given all the things that go into punching power. Morrison stopped some common opponents sooner. Ruddock stopped smith and he was a brainless 1 armed bandit. The difference is Tyson was more polished with better speed, timing, accuracy, and was a better finisher than either of them. Give me a student like that over a guy with devastating power 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

Against Holmes and Tillis, Tyson won because he was the better fighter. I know, shocking, there's more to winning a fight than simply how big you are and how hard you can hit. Shavers was basically a glass Cannon, a character in a video game who you level up focusing on only the power stat and neglecting all your other stats. Tyson would be the character who invested their skill points into other things to be more of a threat. I might say Tyson's power was a 7-8/10 with 9/10 finishing ability, making his overall threat level so much higher. Shavers power was a 10/10 with a 6/10 finishing ability.

 

It is what it is. Both were extremely hard hitters. Tysons were faster, he beat the more quality of fighters. Tyson had what it takes to make it to the very top, Earnie didn't.
Maybe in another era, Shavers gets the title and defends it for a few years, hard to say.
But both were two of the hardest hitters in heavyweight history.

 

Shavers vs Tyson exhibition on PPV December 2021?

 

He knocked out Larry Holmes but Shavers didn't.

 

Larry Holmes said Shavers hit harder than Tyson and I dont think he Is a liar.

 

Fantastic analysis!

 

I wish it were that simple but no. Getting hit by both

 

More one punch knockouts on film.

Faster and more explosive, with more weight to throw behind his shots.

Knocked out opponents Shavers didn't, with similar shots... like Holmes.

Now, back atcha. Why did Shavers hit harder than Tyson?

 

Shavers hit harder, Mike just had better hand speed and was a much better finisher.

Only Wilder comes close to Shavers in terms of explosive power.

Guys like Foreman were more brutal strength.

 

Folks wrongly rate Tyson's power as what made him so dangerous. It wasn't so much power but his speed and combination punching that made him so deadly. Punch for punch, I don't think he hit harder than guys like Foreman or Shavers. What made him special was that combination of speed and power when he was younger. Once Tyson's got older and lost that tremendous speed, he became somewhat ordinary.