Which boxer do you feel is most difficult to get a good read on as a viewer ?

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  1. Conteh'sLeft

    Conteh'sLeft Active Member Full Member

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    For me it was Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez for a very long time, I couldn't wrap my head around why they called Marquez a good counter puncher when someone like Toney , Mayweather, Duran did what I thought at first while thinking about counterpunchers.

    Also the fvcker punched so fast and that too in combinations that I had to rewind the video at 0.25 at least thrice to see what combos he's throwing.

    Same with Pacquiao, I thought he was just a fighter who got away from highlight reel murking due to his natural gifts and wasn't technically proficient at all.

    It was like after two years of watching boxing I got to know how wrong I was.
     
  2. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    Usyk. At times his combos look like they're doing jack until you see a replay.
     
  3. Conteh'sLeft

    Conteh'sLeft Active Member Full Member

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    I thought Usyk punched really light until I saw Hunter and Bellend's heads snap back in slow-mo from accurate knuckle sandwiches like bobbleheads.
     
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  4. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some highly effective inside fighters. I remember when Beterbiev knocked down Cloud I didn't see what happened the first time.
     
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  5. BCS8

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    I have no end of trouble with Greb
     
  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Duran.

    Very hard to appreciate his skillet on first viewing.
     
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  7. Furious

    Furious Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agree with some of the above. Usyk for sure. I'd also add Fury. I think at first viewing and to the untrained eye lots of his feints and judging of distance isn't appreciated. Joshua for example is far easier on the eye, especially to the casual viewer - which has probably contributed to his relative popularity.
     
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  8. Conteh'sLeft

    Conteh'sLeft Active Member Full Member

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    I second this, his feint game was on point and it's very hard to pick it up at first.
     
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  9. Conteh'sLeft

    Conteh'sLeft Active Member Full Member

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    Some of his highlights in his prime.
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  10. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I rewatched a lot of JMM's fights over the last few months. I can't say I was ever a fan when he was active or really got why people rated him so highly, but having rewatched so many of his fights I can see it now.

    He's far better than I gave him credit for. As you say he's difficult to get a read on he's not exceptional in terms of natural talent and he isn't exactly slick like BHop or Mayweather or Toney. But he is so damn effective.

    One thing I noticed he does is he can give an opponent one look but attack in multiple different ways from that same look. Like when he drops the left shoulder, from that position he can hit you with a left hook to the body or head, a jab and also an uppercut but he can also from the exact same position throw a straight right or an overhand right. So he shows his opponent this one look and they don't know what to defend because any of those punches could be coming and so what do they do, they back up instead and so JMM then drops the left shoulder as a feint to back them up to the ropes and move them where he wants them.

    He also is clever in how he puts his combinations together he often uses one punch to set up the next. He likes the hit you with the left uppercut but does that to raise your head for the right hand that's coming over the top and vice versa he'll throw and overhand right to move your head into the left uppercut or hook.
     
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  11. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I feel Beterbiev is definitely one of those guys where it's not really obvious what he's doing. One moment he's feeling a guy out or struggling to corner his opponent, next he's on top and his opponent is totally overwhelmed.

    I really need to watch more of him and really study what he's doing I get the feeling he's doing a lot of subtle stuff I'm missing.
     
  12. Conteh'sLeft

    Conteh'sLeft Active Member Full Member

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    Couldn't have worded it any better than that.
     
  13. Conteh'sLeft

    Conteh'sLeft Active Member Full Member

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    His most noticeable flaw appears to be not punching while going back when he's pressed by the opponent, he's gonna have some trouble when he fights someone who can take his punches and still come forward and punch in combinations while changing angles, something to the effect of GGG with Derevyanchenko.
     
  14. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Love the JMM comments above.

    Might seem like a strange pick but I think Floyd is weird to watch upon first viewing It kind of looks like nothing is happening, like he's somewhat uncomfortable, and suddenly his opponent can't get anything going. It's usually only in hindslight you can pinpoint the adjustment, if then. For first time viewers it doesn't always look impressive either.
     
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  15. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Greb and Sullivan.