Explain to me that why Tyson hit harder than Shavers ?

Shavers, Foreman, Cooney, and Wilder form the Quadrinity of biggest punchers imo.

Tyson, Liston, Frazier, and Weaver are the next level.

Louis, Lewis, Bowe tier 3.

I'm sure I'm forgetting some, forgive me.

 

I would have to put Mike in the 1st tier. When he was about 50% of the fighter he had been he was still chasing B and C level guys out of the ring in about a round or so. Lou Saverse, Golota etc. Razor Ruddock made a reputation KOing shopworn journeymen.

 

Another gem thread. Nice to the see power fetish on the rise again.

Cooney tier 1? Weaver tier 2? Not sure mate! I believe Wilder is like a snake that needs to load up to throw a couple of these per round. If he´s forced to throw more, we could see what happened in Fury 2. On a higher output another tall fighter like Riddick Bowe edges him.

Regarding the "power vs delivery system" debate, # 1 spot goes to............................

.....Bonecrusher!

 

These are very good points.

 

Lol cry me a river fanboy that was a garbage post. ever heard of context?

 

Foreman had the best trainer in his career against Young and had not been inactive at all and I don't like HWs really at all so try again with the Tyson fan boy garbage. He lost in a humiliating fashion against Jimmy Young these are facts buddy. Foreman bulldozed Frazier because Fraizer wasn't all that much of a defensive fighter the same thing would have happened to him had he been in there that night with any number of big strong HWs.

 

The point I was making is that the version of Ali Foreman faced was getting landed on plenty by other guys. Its like a lot of you are all the same idiot.

 

George Foreman beat on an old washed up fighter with a hard head who was incapable of defending himself and the ref stopped it whoppty fcking doo never doubted Georges power lol. Peralta was tiny and showed us just how clever George really was and not to forget his ring cuttin skills. Young was up and down as in he was unreliable, he lost plenty of fights if you watch him and see some Godly fighter take up table tennis he wasn't that good and neither was Foreman who lost to EVERY guy who did not fight like an ape.
Yep Lyle landed plenty of leather on Ali that night and that was the point he and Foreman fought Muhammad 7 months apart (Guess he was shot for RIJ too then?) and where as George the "Subtly accurate" guy landed next to nothing, Lyle was on route to a UD.

 

Ah so now you're just shifting the goal post when I point out that what you said made no sense.

You claimed Foreman's claim to fame was taking out Frazier and Norton who, according to you, lacked in the chin department and defense.

I point out that Foreman beat Chuvalo who was as durable as they come and you say whoop de Doo to save face. You do realize him and Frazier were the only ones to stop Chuvalo in like 90 fights? He was unable to defend himself because Foreman busted him up with a jab, walked him down into a corner, and beat the **** out of him. No one else did that to Chuvalo in his entire career, but of course rather than giving Foreman credit you'll just say big deal.

Yes the Peralta fight showed Foreman wasn't just a mindless slugger and could win a decision.

Young was up and down, but who knocked him out? Who made young look bad? The answer is nobody. He had a very frustrating slippery style and made everyone look bad when he was at his best, including Ali and Norton who had totally different styles compared to Foreman. And Foreman was not in his prime when he lost to young, so what exactly was your point? How does losing to young prove that Foreman lacks accuracy all of a sudden? Which of Young's opponents accurately landed on him all night? I'll wait.

Foreman lost to every guy who didn't fight like an ape? Norton fought like an ape? I thought he was a solid boxer with a good jab, good cross arm defense, good body attacking, high stamina fighter. Michael Moorer fought like an ape? We must be watching different fights then.

And if you think Ali was prime against Lyle you're an idiot and you need to lay off the drugs.

 

@Kamikaze I respect your opinion in regard to boxing, but I'm surprised you'd be this ad hominem. I don't remember you being this antagonistic...

I firmly believe you're better than that, my friend. You have a lot to offer this forum.

 

Norton was a more than capable boxer, he just went in with the wrong game plan against Foreman and he admitted to as much later. Moorer was pretty masterful himself...though I must be first to assert his chin wasn't exactly heavyweight level.

Foreman was a very great fighter who basically mostly got outsmarted by both Ali and Young. He did seem to get sloppier as the 70s progressed, but his victories against undefeated Frazier and (some people thought twice) Ali-defeating Norton cannot be underestimated.

Ken Norton is the same man who, FIVE YEARS LATER gave top 5 or even 3 ATG Larry Holmes the fight of his life.

 

Not a chance Lennox Lewis is on the third tier. He hits harder than Frazier for starters. Many would have Lewis tier 1 and he'd never be worse than tier 2. He's got some spectacular stoppages. I wouldn't want to live on the power difference between he and Foreman's right hand. Joe Louis could move up a tier as well and i'd place him above Frazier at any rate. Joe's didn't take many punches at all to end a night and pole axed quite a few sizeable reasonably durable guys. Frazier had very good power but there's lots of guys ahead of him for one punch power.

 

I have to agree on Frazier, and I should put Lewis on tier 2.

Sooo...

Tier 1: Shavers, Foreman, Cooney, and Wilder

Tier 2: Tyson, Liston, Louis, Lewis, and Weaver are the next level.

Tier 3: Frazier, Bowe, Norton

 

Sorry man but Norton doesn't belong on a list of punchers. Not even close.

I'm betting there are dozens of fighters you'd have above your tier 3 guys but you want to keep it short and simple. Obviously guys like Morrison, Ruddock, Tua, Wlad, etc.