Nikolai Valuev Meeting Joe Louis' s Title Opponents..?

Such as?

 

I wouldn't say Chag, Donald, or Haye had much trouble beyond the bad judging.

Exclusively prescribing Walcott's defeat against Simon to size is to ignore the fact Walcott was not a good fighter at this time. He was also knocked out by 180 something lb Tiger Jack. Boxers don't exist in a vacuum. Walcott was a bad fighter who got better. It's well documented. Walcott beat Hoff in Germany, who was like 6'5 220 lbs with an 83" reach so I don't think size is his kryptonite. If we can't agree on that, I got nothing else to say.

Bob Pastor was never a Light Heavyweight. Conn was...but it's not like Valuev would even be able to lay a glove on him.

I've referenced the Barrett fight multiple times. Fields was crap, Valuev as I said, was actually decent.

Barrett was a gatekeeper. He is not as good a technician as Pastor, a man recognized as one of the most skilled HEAVYWEIGHT contenders of his era.

I mean...yeah...Barrett is bigger than all these more successful fighters from the past...I suppose that's a fact. Hell, I might be a bit bigger then those guys myself, what an accomplishment.

 

Walcott certainly improved significantly, but he was better than often made out. He gave Simon, and Fox (the first time) hard fight ls, leading on the cards.

Fox was very highly regarded at Light Heavyweight, and Heavyweight, though his record doesn't really live up to his reputation.

Someone who gives the top contenders hard fights generally is better than crap. Far from great (at that point), but not crap.

 

Yeah. They breezed right through him. Floored him 20 times. Beat the hell out of him. No problems at all.

And I'm sure 168-pound Billy Conn and 180-pound Pastor just pound the hell out of the 7'1" 328 pound Valuev on their way to easy early round KOs.

Makes total sense.

Everybody spanked Valuev. He was a total soft touch.

Johnny Paycheck probably ices that hairy Russian in one. If Abe Simon doesn't get to him first.

What was I ever thinking. That's for setting me straight. Joe's title challengers go undefeated against that freak Valuev.

Everyone beats him.

 

Yeah, I'm sure ol' the 6'4" 220 pound gatekeeper Monte Barrett would've been no match for that ferocious collection of 170 and 180 pounders Bob Pastor boxed.

Unlike the gatekeeper Barrett, Pastor and Conn would've walked right through Wlad, Valuev, Tua, Rahman, Witherspoon, Ortiz, Page ... without breaking a sweat.

Bob Pastor - most skilled heavyweight of his or any era. Or was it Conn? Either way. No problem.

Pastor or Conn vs. Tua. Doubt David sees the finish.

Beware Klitschko. Beware Valuev. Beware all. The most skilled heavyweights ever are coming at you! And their names are Bob Pastor and Billy Conn.

Pastor and Conn leaves Valuev a bloody heap.

 

Since you are a tad obsessed with size. Pastor did beat the 6'7" 238 lb Skyscraper Ray. You will probably just dismiss it, because substance only matters to you on very selective basis.

Page, Spoon, and Tua were beyond washed up when Two Gunz got past them. Two Gunz just isn't a noteworthy fighter anyway you cut it.

 

Now, Pastor would just need to beat a guy a half a foot taller and 90 pounds heavier with 40 MORE WINS than Ray.

Ray Impelletiere? LOL Good Lord.

 

No, I just acknowledge that the likelihood a 180-pound 5'11" contender from the 1930s who never won anything at heavy likely isn't beating a 7'1 328-pound heavyweight champion from the 2000s.

But that's just me. I'm not a big fan of superheroes. More of a realist.

So, you have Bob Pastor and Billy Conn, climbing the mountain, overcoming a 150 pound weight disadvantage, and more than a foot in height, and easily beating Valuev.

Name another Bum of the Month who you have knocking off Valuev and claiming the WBA Heavyweight title in 2006?

Love to see the laundry list of names.

Who would've won if they didn't have to fight Joe for the title and fought Valuev for a belt instead?

Al McCoy ... come on down!

 

There have been other heavyweights the size of Valuev throughout history, and they generally weren't very successful.

Was a a champion because he was seven feet tall, or was he the seven foot fighter who finally beat the odds, with a bit of careful management?

Ewart Potgieter was bigger than Valuev, so why didn't he just breeze through the smaller heavyweights of the day?

 

You left out "Or was he a lot better than Ewart Potgieter?"

That's like saying there were a lot of fighters who were 6'3" like Ali who didn't win the title and weren't successful, like Devin Vargas.

Was Ali a champion because he was just carefully managed?

 

The difference is that there have been many successful fighters who were 6' 3'', but a successful fighter who was 7' + is something of a unicorn.

How far would Valuev have got, in an era where there was only one version of the title, and you had to get a top two ranking to be entitled to a shot?

 

Well, you certainly didn't need a top two rating to get a title shot in the Joe Louis era.

How high of a rating did Johnny Paycheck have again when he fought for the title? Al McCoy? Tony Musto? Guz Dorazio? Jack Roper? Harry Thomas?

Does Valuev have to fight his way through that "firestorm" of title challengers to be "entitled" enough to get a shot? (LOL)

What fantasy world are you guys living in?

Honestly.

Name all of Joe's challengers who beat Valuev? That's what this thread is about.

I named a half dozen in this thread.

Does Johnny Paycheck, Al McCoy, Tony Musto, Jack Roper, Guz Dorazio or Harry Thomas beat Valuev and become the WBA Heavyweight Champion in 2006?

How many "uncrowned champs" in that collection of "entitled" title challengers?

 

This is getting ridiculous. It seems that some posters are willing to bash 1930s boxers no matter what.

 

I'm not bashing anyone. Name all the Joe Louis title challengers you think beat the 7'1" 328-pound Nicolay Valuev in 2006 to claim his title?

Name all of them? You have their names.

That's what we're here for.

Rattle off eleven years of "entitled" heavyweight title challengers Joe Louis fought who would've knocked off Valuev?

 

Plenty of them would beat him, why do you even bring up his size? His size was his disadvantage, not advantage.