Evander Holyfield: I'd tear Joe Louis Up

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  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    :D
     
  2. Samtotheg

    Samtotheg Active Member Full Member

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    I noticed thats not an argument , do you ever have an argument what did Holyfield do that Louis would have a problem with , you can make off topic comments or you can address the issue at hand . I see you either way!
     
  3. Samtotheg

    Samtotheg Active Member Full Member

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    What were these so called flaws of Joe louis ? also "fast hands " mean nothing there is no such thing as a boxer punched so fast their opponent could not defend against it , a lot of what you think is "fast hands" are set ups!
     
  4. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I meant bums compared to post 50's good HWs
     
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  5. J Jones

    J Jones Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Evan Fields was a bad man. In fact, I think he’s good enough to beat Louis. 1930’s Holyfield, not so much.
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    That can only be true if you think that a bad work ethic and mindset, got you further post 50s than it did in the 1930s.
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don’t believe that someone would join a forum like this and then be serious in making the above statement.

    You have to be trolling for your own amusement.

    There’s social media casuals what wouldn’t even claim this.
     
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  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Joe wouldn’t make it to the pro’s?

    When?
     
  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It’s nothing to do with evolution.

    Only how they’d have matched up stylistically.
     
  10. Samtotheg

    Samtotheg Active Member Full Member

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    and in the matchup its heavy slanted towards Joe, Holyfield is way too easy to hit for an accurate and hard hitter like Joe, he would never beat Joe louis!
     
  11. moneytheman12

    moneytheman12 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    the 70s-90s why did you ask that its obvious he wouldnt with his limited skills just like bomber said and you said he was trolling

    where was he trolling at cause your trolling by acting like he wouldnt

    he was limited and would for a fact have to upgrade his style of fighting and skills

    George came back and upgraded his style and skills cause he know if he didnt he would be destroyed same as joe would know and joe was way more outdated then George
     
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  12. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Oh dear.

    First of all, he said that amateur fighters would be able to beat an ATG HW in Joe Louis.

    Amateur fighters.

    Engage your brain and think about that for a second.


    How could he NOT have been trolling?

    He can’t possibly have been serious.

    Nobody could possibly be that ignorant.


    Regarding Joe Louis, Louis didn’t have limited skills. He was extremely skilled.

    Or do you just believe that because:


    He fought an awful long time ago

    The footage of him is in black and white

    You possess no knowledge of his career


    Which of the above?

    Or is it due to all of the above?


    Ignorant and uneducated people have a tendency to rubbish and dismiss things that they have no knowledge of.

    If you think that this doesn’t apply to you, then tell me specifically how he was so limited and outdated.


    Joe Louis could have fought in any era. The 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, 00’s and the present day. And if he had’ve done, then common sense says that he’d have won some and lost some, depending on how he’d stylistically have matched up against all of his opponents. And the same thing applies to every other great ATG HW.

    A tournament featuring fighters from different eras would always yield mixed results.

    The modern fighters wouldn’t always win.

    A fight is, and will always be, determined upon how the fighters match up, not on someone’s D.O.B.


    You guys are so ignorant it’s cringeworthy.

    You say that Louis couldn’t have fought in the 70’s etc, because he had limited skills. Yet his skill set was superior to guys like Foreman and Frazier.

    He possessed more ability than what they did.

    So how does your theory hold up?

    You have just embarrassed yourself.


    Regarding George, he didn’t come back with a completely different and higher level of skills in his 80’s and 90’s comeback. He came back and paced himself better where he showed more maturity and composure.


    Go and educate yourself on these guys.
     
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  13. moneytheman12

    moneytheman12 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I embarrassed myself by telling the truth
    embarrased myself for telling the truth im not but you should embarrassed for saying bull

    I dont call only having faster hand speed and combos and punch tech better then Frazier who had that and more

    and no he wouldnt have made it in any era except backwards like I said he was limited all those dudes were he would have to upgrade his style and skills like I Said it's not opinion or a theory crazy troll

    and george did have better skill when he was old liar most people can see that it wasnt just better pacing

    you need to educate not me I dont say a person from a outdated style and skill level would beat anybody after cause it wouldnt work unless the person was a low level joe would be destroyed by George ron gerry or earn all big hitters who could move good which Joe's era didn't have dumb troll

    if joe was so skilled he wouldnt have had trouble with those dudes who was trash none of those dudes would give the names I said problems or the big names of 90s or people like fury your a troll anybody can see this
     
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  14. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That sums things up nicely, thank you.

    Anyone ever notice that trolls usually call everyone else trolls? It's a textbook case of deflection.
     
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  15. janitor

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    It is called the Dunning Kruger effect!