Who won the war between Whyte, Parker, Chisora?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by xnico, Aug 14, 2021.


Who won the war

  1. Whyte

    40 vote(s)
    64.5%
  2. Parker

    13 vote(s)
    21.0%
  3. Chisora

    9 vote(s)
    14.5%
  1. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He clearly lost to Whyte
     
  2. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For me all 3 are at the same level, all their fights could have gone either way, that one KO was bogus, it only happened because of the nonsensical point deductions
     
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  3. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Depends how you scored Whyte/Parker.
     
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  4. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    In the sense of who comes out the best fighter... Whyte, though not by that much.

    In many ways though Chisora is the real winner - underdog in both fights and gave a very decent showing against guys who'd be expected to beat him more convincingly, despite the losses it's a creditable showing for the resume.
     
  5. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Is it a reach? It could be but it's logical. You often hear Hearn saying that "AJ has the best resume" but this claim looks silly even to casuals if Fury's victims are beating AJ's, particularly if Fury beat his more comfortably. If Fury opponent Chisora beats AJ opponents Whyte and Parker on Hearn's shows (they all were) then it looks bad for AJ, whereas it looks good for AJ if Whyte and Parker are considered top contenders and Chisora (who even when old and worn is clearly on par or better) is considered a journeyman. The Parker-Chisora robbery essentially confirmed to me that this was the case; Parker not being a draw, being from New Zealand and already getting the sh*tty end of the stick against the more favoured Whyte. Hearn wanted the best man to win between Whyte and Chisora so that the winner could go on to bodyguard AJ from Wilder but if it was in anyway close, the younger, less defeated and less worn AJ opponent Whyte was going to get the nod as he would be seen as having the most potential for the greatest number of years.
     
  6. NEETzschean

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    I'm sorry that it's too much for your tiny brain to comprehend.
     
  7. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Maybe, it did seem to concuss Parker but how do we know that Parker wouldn't have found a way to lose the fight anyway? Even if the KD hadn't been given and Whyte had been deducted a point I wouldn't bet on Parker winning that fight. Whyte lacks Parker's talent but has far more spite and will to win. Parker's performance against an old, worn Chisora was absolutely pathetic. In the 11th and 12th rounds of a fight he was clearly losing he had Chisora gassed and hurt and could have gone for the kill but for some bizarre reason he allowed Chisora to recover and finish the fight. He even said after that he wouldn't have complained if he didn't get the decision! Parker is going nowhere, there is less dog in him now than there was several years ago and there was never much.
     
  8. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America The Tuaminator Full Member

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    Yes - your views of Parker's killer instinct are shared by many

    including (sadly) even a fan like me....
     
  9. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bodyguard Aj from Wilder ? LOL

    Didn't Wilder literally say he turned down lots of money from Hearn to fight Fury. Ridiculous
     
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  10. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But, Whyte v Chisora 2 also doesn't fit this theory of yours very neatly.

    The scorecards were certainly not favouring Whyte in the rematch.
    Whyte needed an 11th round stoppage. He was behind on two of the scorecards despite the 2 points deductions to Chisora.

    Now you could suggest the referee was in Hearn's pocket, but wouldn't it be easier to have favourable cards if Hearn is actually trying to protect Joshua's resume as you suggest?

    Personally, I don't see why you are pinning so much on Joshua's win over Whyte which happened for the British title. Whyte was ranked #43...

    Yes, Whyte later developed into a known quantity in the division, but Joshua already had his win over Klitschko #1, then add Takam, Parker, Povetkin, the rematch with Ruiz and now Pulev. Heck even Martin and Breazeale were a level above the version of Whyte Joshua beat.

    Sorry, but Joshua's resume is so far beyond his peers in terms of depth, that it's illogical to think that Whyte or Parker taking a loss to Chisora has dire consequences for it.

    Plus I doubt they were too worried about comparisons to Fury's resume when Chisora v Whyte 1 happened, as Fury was happily eating and drinking himself to death at the time
     
  11. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Parker had Whyte holding on for that final bell at the end of round twelve. Take away the headbutt and Parker stops him (the headbutt cost Parker 2-3 rounds, and is very noticable).
     
  12. hobby rider

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    Yes my brain may be tiny but at least there’s some cells inside it. Yours may be large but is quite clearly empty.
     
  13. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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  14. NEETzschean

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    Whyte didn't necessarily need an 11th round stoppage to win; he was down just 94-95 on two of the cards and ahead by the same score on another in a fight that he was clearly losing by most accounts. The cards themselves were favourable to Whyte and the referee was doing Whyte's job for him. I'm not saying that there was no way that Chisora could have ever won a decision but the scales were clearly tipped against him, just as they had been in several other of his fights.

    When Whyte was fighting Chisora for the first time Hearn had plans for him: he had after all given AJ his toughest fight by far pre-AJ and showed potential so It was in Hearn's interests to turn Whyte into a contender to improve AJ's resume, to perform of bodyguard function for AJ and as a marketable commodity in his own right. Going into the Chisora rematch this was the case to an even greater degree as Whyte was regarded as a contender at that point, having got wins over Chisora, Helenius, Browne (lmao) and Parker.

    Notice that AJ fans often say "AJ has wins over 4 top 10 HW's" including Whyte in that when Whyte was British level when AJ beat him: Whyte is likely considered to be AJ's 3rd best win after Wlad and Povetkin. AJ's resume isn't far beyond Fury's in depth, this is Hearn's propaganda and it only sounds superficially plausible if the likes of Whyte and Parker get wins over the likes of Chisora. If an old and worn Chisora (Fury's 3rd-5th best opponent when in his prime) beat prime versions of Whyte and Parker (AJ's 3rd and 4th best opponents) then it starts to look absurd to claim that AJ has a deeper resume, especially considering that Fury's top 2 wins are better than anything AJ has done. Hearn doesn't just consider active or semi-active fighters like Fury (though they are far more important) he says things like "AJ has a better resume at this stage of his career than Lennox Lewis", which may well be true but the point is that politics and trying to win the war of public perceptions is very important for Hearn, which means boosting his cash cow and his accomplishments.
     
  15. NEETzschean

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    If the KD hadn't been scored then Parker may have shown even less urgency and still lost the fight. I can't give him the benefit of the doubt because he never gives me reason to. Parker has become a master of losing fights he should win. He's too nice; no real spite or will to win.