Thoughts on Vergil?

My feelings, as well. He should fight a slightly higher caliber of fighter to prepare for someone like Crawford. The problem is, PBC has most of the top guys in the division, so the options are pretty limited. I suppose he could take on a quality veteran like Vargas or Benavidez Jr., who also performed fairly well against Crawford, in the mean time. My guess is that if a Crawford bout does come off almost immediately, Terence beats him and then we all come back to the forums complaining about how Ortiz needed more seasoning. Then again, I'm not convinced Ortiz is ever going to be on Crawford's level, unless he shows clear signs of decay.

 

Pacquiao vs Ortiz. The legend vs the young gun. What do you think?

 

The tale of the tape had him only 1" taller than Kavalauskas and equal reach... weird.

 

you guys act like crawford didnt struggle againt eggis th first few rounds. if ortiz fights like he did against eggis, with his jab and letting his hands go to the body. crawford will be in trouble.

 

Yeah that's my opinion also, but getting nailed and fighting back is a must have component against good fighters.

 

Promoters want their young guns to be involved in these passing-of-the-torch moments, but I just don't think Ortiz brings enough financial incentive for Pacquiao to be interested. Pacman has one foot out the door and is really only concerned with the big fights.

 

Exciting, explosive, technically efficient offensive fighter, patient, great jab and combinations, and a vicious finisher. He has plenty of tools, his main flaw is his defensive holes that a more crafty elite fighter can exploit while he’s coming in. Could definitely tighten up his defense but he has a lot of time to polish up his style. Not sure if he is ready for someone like Crawford but I would love to see how well he does. He’s one of the most entertaining fighters to watch right now.

 

Both fighters struggled with Kavaliauskas in the early going, but to me, Ortiz never dominated until the end, whereas Crawford took over a bit quicker. I think Ortiz was partly allowed to get away with his plan because Kavaliauskas didn't throw enough power punches. I don't think he gets away with it against Crawford, who is smarter, more versatile, and significantly faster. Ortiz doesn't look special to me yet; Crawford is much closer to that label.

 

He looked quite good and stopped Mean Machine but he also looked vulnerable which the elite would capitalise on. Fighting Bud, Spence,Porter or Danny Garcia now is not a great idea. I would say give him 1 more year of fights then he is ready.

 

I think he's the best fighter age 25 & under on the planet, his jab is a work of art, and he will be the #1 p4p fighter in the world in 3 years or less. That's what I think anyway. I see a little of one of my all time favorite fighters and av Alexis Arguello in Ortiz, which is a good thing.

 

How so? Ortiz systematically broke down MM with his jab and outside boxing, then ripping hooks to the body when he was close. Crawford had no choice but to come forward while eating leather because he couldn't do anything from the outside.

 

I agree, he's almost Arguello-esque as a power punching tall fighter, or an explosive thin man, but I have to disagree on the jab, Rorsch. I think there's a massive issue with his jab, and that's it's lack of variety. It's quick, powerful and straight, but it comes from the same place, at the same speed, and he almost even has a predictable rhythm which he throws to. It created a lot of spots vs Kavaliauskas where Kava threw over the top with a cross and obviously, caught Ortiz with a beauty in the early goings. He was also getting counter-jabbed often, but TBF, even Crawford got counter-jabbed by Kava. I think he should watch some of old George Foreman's jab, and work that into his game. Suits his style well, and he'd have the athletic gifts which old age had stolen from Big George. I think the variation which George had is the key thing for Ortiz to take.

But anyway man, it's good to see you about btw. How is everything?

 

Normally his jab is hard but much slower then he was using in this fight to my eye. I felt his jab got off much quicker than usual, and came right back to his chin. I love a beautiful ramrod jab like that, agreed he could throw in some changeup off-speed variety, and I would like to see him attack the body with it more. But his technique and power with that punch is a beautiful work of art that I love to watch.

 

Vergil needs a new trainer. He’s not growing. He’s actually devolved. I swear this kid used to counter more. Vs Hooker, now Kavaliauskas he’s a punching bag, his best punch is definitely the hook to the body. The fight was nip and tuck all the way through, Kava did what he wanted when he had stamina, but he also has very poor stamina so a lot of the fight was him just feinting to punch while Ortiz bit on everything. The fight should’ve ended a lot earlier imo, but Vergil was very hesitant.

Crawford dominated Kavaliauskas after taking it to him (and would’ve ended the fight earlier if he didn’t give up a rd turning orthodox where he’s much less effective). Kava is a very good boxer, but he has a bodybuilder’s build, people that know physiology know your body adapts to your workouts and gives you the appropriate body to carry out those tasks, and Kavaliauskas is definitely not doing enough boxing exercises with that body type.

 

If you think Ortiz will beat Crawford you're high. Ortiz looked okay but he was hurt against EK. If he gets hurt like that against Crawford who will land with power on Ortiz he will not make it out of the round