Old George Foreman vs Anthony Joshua

Depends on which version of Old George. If we are talking about the one who faced Holyfield or the one who stopped Cooper, Rodrigues, and Cooney all in 2 rds, then I can see him beating AJ.

 

I'm sure sumo wrestlers would toss around weightlifters and bodybuilders around, even though they don't work as much with weights. Rugby players are also a bad example, because they don't really max themselves in gym.

 

Lol the reason a sumo would is because they would have 100+lbs on the average bodybuilder, weightlifter and are trained to do so. Also as someone who grew up training with Rugby players you are wrong.

 

Not really, you can take 350 lbs rishiki and 350 lbs weightlifter and the latter wouldn't have much chances. There are different kind of strength, raw output on the gym doesn't equal being stronger in absolute term, it depends on what you mean by "strength".

How am I wrong? Of course rugby players work out in the gym with weights, but they don't try to max out themselves. Rugby players have to be much more versatile athletes to spend so much time in the gym.

 

heavyweights today are considerably bigger than those Foreman fought and it seems plausible some of them are stronger than Foreman. Someone like Joyce or Makhmudov seem like likely candidates.

Comeback Foreman's basically entire reputation is based on the Moorer win. He didn't do much else. AJ has beaten a wider array of quality opponents.

 

Here is the thing- you’re putting someone who also does strength training and is absolutely huge and trained to grapple against a random lifter. Your argument is that a grappler of equal size would beat an untrained person in a wrestling match? Who would’ve thought.

My definition was raw strength. AJ has more of it men who are bigger and lift weights over power men who don’t in wrestling even sometimes those with training if the size gap is enough are you going to challenge that?

There is no magic “functional” strength you are strong or you are not. If you are physically weaker of similar size and a grappler you will win no duh because you’re no longer dealing in absolutes where strength is the sole factor you add levels to it.

Rugby players absolutely max out as often as anyone trying to get strong- especially in the off season it’s not going to push them over the limit lol what kind of extra training do you think they do exactly outside lifting and Rugby drills, running laps ect?

 

Joshua tko

 

Morrison galloped his way to a decision but Joshua from the second Ruiz fight loses...riiight.

 

There is no "magic functional strength", there are number of different types of strengths necessary for different kind of tasks. Weightlifters train strength to lift weights in specific ways. Strongmen train a bit differently. Rishiki train differently to use strength in different way. Boxers use strength in much different way as well and maxing out your lifting numbers on the gym gives you very little inside the ring.

Rugby players need to train a lot of cardio and stamina training. They have to run a lot, they have to train rugby-specific plays, they have to train strategies. Rugby players need to spend a lot of time outside the gym, they don't train to max out their bench press stats or deadlift. I'm afraid you don't spend that much time with rugby players.

 

I honestly don't think that strength is even that important in this match. I don't see either of these guys really clinching and trying to wear the other guy out. What I think is decisive is that Joshua has good reflexes and is rather difficult to really hit cleanly. Foreman being particularly slow in his comeback version is the nail in the coffin imho.

Sure, If AJ goes all out to KO Foreman, blows his wad in the process, he could get stiffened by Foreman. In fact, I can hardly think of a worse fighter to run out of steam against.

But if he treats Foreman with respect, uses his feet, boxes from behind the jab ... this fight is his to lose.

 

No

 

You’ve just compared a natural LW to a natural HW.

 

You think that AJ is stronger because that’s what you want to believe, and because he looks aesthetically good.

George also lifted weights in his comeback.


Unless I see more of AJ or hear the opinions of respected people within the sport, I’m going with George.

Again, George’s strength is legendary within the boxing world.

It’s renowned.

Many fighters and trainers have commented on it throughout the years.


Here’s what Evander said during the ‘Best I’ve faced’ interviews:

AJ got steamrollered by Andy Ruiz.


Regarding pulling a jeep, I’ve seen AJ gas out at the mid way point in a number of fights, so the thought of him pulling a jeep in training like Foreman did is hilarious.

 

It doesn’t really matter who AJ’s beaten.

George would have been very dangerous to him.

AJ would have needed to have been mobile where he’d have stuck to a disciplined game plan.

 

He’d have had to have fought the same kind of fight for sure.