The Best of the Rest: 160lbs Tier II Tournie - Round 1 - Fight 7: Sumbu Kalambay UD15 Frank Klaus

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Aug 18, 2021.


Who will win?

Poll closed Aug 21, 2021.
  1. Klaus T/KO

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  2. Klaus Points

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  3. Kalambay Points

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  4. Kalambay T/KO

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    What i've done is i've lifted top tiers out of my top fifty at the poundage and organised them into a seeded tournament to uncover "the best of the rest" at the poundage, with you, the denizens of the world's greatest boxing history forum, casting the deciding vote. The difference between this middleweight tournament and the equivalent at 175lbs is that I've left ALL the guys with no footage in this time. I understand that makes things difficult and for some, frustrating but there are just far too many excellent and intriguing fighters from middleweight history. I understand this makes making a pick very hard, but i hope you'll still place a vote and make a post because obviously without your input the whole thing becomes meaningless.

    Pick your man! Write however many details you like or don't in a post below. But maybe try to post, to keep things moving a little bit. You have three days.

    And let's be nice. No reason for disagreeing over total fantasies after all!

    15 rounds, 1950s rules and ref. Ten points must. Weigh in is 18 hours before the fight.

    I'll only vote if it's tied, then I'll decide the result.

    Round of Thirty-Two Fight 7: Sumbu Kalambay vs Frank Klaus

    SUMBU KALAMBAY (57-6-1)
    When Sumbu Kalambay dropped a split decision to Ayub Kalule late in 1985 it may have seemed that the Congolese was doomed to the hell of not just a journeyman but a journeyman determined to impersonate Muhammad Ali. All grace of movement and left hand, it can be seen why his adopted countrymen in Italy roared the former heavyweight’s second name at Kalambay as he moved – but having lost two in five, surely a downward spiral beckoned. In reality, of course, Kalambay probably deserved the decision against Kalule, not only dropping him twice but by my count winning no fewer than six rounds. After posting this “loss” in 1985, Kalambay looked something approaching invincible through to 1989 and took some serious bodies on his travels in the second half of that decade.

    Rebuilding in his adopted home of Italy against solid if unspectacular opposition it was in Britain he laid down the marker which was to represent the beginning of an impressive run. Herol Graham, ranked among the three best middleweights in the world and an unbeaten 38-0, was seen by many as the living definition of southpaw awkwardness; a defensive specialist par excellence. Kalambay happily crushed him at his own game. He was harder to hit than Graham, drawing the favorite on in a merry dance for the first six rounds before getting down off his toes and beating him straight, too, leaving Graham badly cut and desperately hurt in the final seconds of the 12th. Kalambay hypnotized fighters into following him with buttery movement and a jab that slid off his unerring mobility like bullets from a gun; the rest of his offense crackled with the possibility of the unexpected. He would toss up distant uppercuts timed perfectly on an opponent made to lead in a tricky spot. When they got used to following him, he turned them on to short rights that belied his supposed lack of power.


    FRANK KLAUS (33-5-2; Newspaper Decisions 35-9-12)

    Frank Klaus enjoyed an argument in the ring and he liked it up close, personal, sometimes using his head and elbows as reservists to his vicious infighting attack. It made him one of the most formidable middleweights of the post-Ketchel era and one of the few claimants to have lifted the legitimate title.

    Klaus was impressive over the six round distance, boxing a draw with Stanley Ketchel and posting a win over Billy Papke; on the other hand he lost twice to Hugo Kelly, who beat him once over the six round distance in 1909 and the twelve round distance in 1910. On the one hand he was the lineal middleweight titleholder but on the other, he won it on a disqualification in a fight that he was reportedly edging with Billy Papke; furthermore, he had won his previous fight against Georges Carpentier – but also on a disqualification in a fight he was reportedly losing. Klaus’s record is impressive but needs qualifying in some respects.

    Still, there is little to complain about so far as his series with the great Jack Dillon is concerned. Their first fight occurred in Pittsburgh in 1911 over six rounds; generally it is recorded as a draw (or no decision) with some secondary sources suggesting Dillon got the better of it. In 1912 they met over twenty rounds in a fight so foul as to be nondescript outside of this and the decision was awarded to the less flagrant of the two, which happened to be Klaus. They fought a rematch just three months later over ten and it was Klaus again who got the nod in a tamer affair that saw him outfight Dillon on the inside, a phenomenal achievement, for the second consecutive time. Dillon fled the middleweight division in his wake and Klaus went on to claim the title.

    He holds other excellent wins at the weight including Jimmy Gardner, Leo Houck, Eddie McGoorty, Johnny Thompson and Jack Sullivan. Toss in Dillon and Papke and that draw with Ketchel and you are talking about a fighter who met an overwhelming majority of the best of his era and got the better of most of them.
     
  2. McGrain

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  3. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    I like Kalambay here, assuming rules that didn't favour complete rough housing. Kalambay was one of the slickest middleweights of the last 35 years and I just don't see him losing.
     
  4. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Kalambay, feel very good about picking him.
     
  5. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Picking Sumbu here, think he might be favourite for the tournament out of the names I've seen.
     
  6. Samtotheg

    Samtotheg Active Member Full Member

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    I got Klaus here all these folks picking Kalambay know nothing of the resume and skillset of Klaus!
     
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  7. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's a hell of a comment to make considering there is next zero footage of Klaus. You are so predictable always picking fighters from that era regardlessof whether you have seen them fight or not.

    Didn't Klaus draw the color line like Papke did? Is that your idea of a champion? How about you educate us folks that "no nothing about the resume and skill set of Klaus".
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Sumbu Kalambay strolled to victory over Frank Klaus, winning 12-0-3 and 14-0-1 twice on the judges scorecards, Klaus failing to post a single round as he was consistently outsped and outjabbed by Sumbu, the clearly superior technician. Klaus made every effort to get inside but Sumbu used his range to tie up on his own terms, stepping off and then in with a punch or tieing up and mauling Klaus to the canvas. Referee جوني تو كيس had little to say about it as Klaus had the appearance of initiating these clinches, and in addition, as the fight went later Klaus got rougher and rougher, perhaps lucky not to have points deducted.
     
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