What if Tyson Fury retires after beating Wilder

Who has Wilder beaten again ? Old ass Ortiz ? Thats it ? Ok then

 

Both Douglas and Rahman had fantastic jabs. Rahman had long arms as well. DW 'could' beat Rahman, but Buster Douglas would KO DW. Of course, the retort from some will be to try use the worst versions of each to justify.

 

Rahman vs Wilder is 50/50. Imo Corrie Sanders was more dangerous than Wilder due to his superior speed and counters and Rahman managed to beat him

 

They beat the best in the world at the time which you deem as a good enough criteria for Fury to be a HOF fighter yet the criteria changes for someone else? Thought it would do.

Also Douglas and Rahman would both beat Wilder.

 

Rahman? Seriously???

 

I don't particularly rate Wilder as a boxer, but if he was as bad as everyone thinks he is how come Fury was the only man who beat him? He's even stopped some of his opponents faster than AJ (Breazeale).

Fury will beat Wilder by KO, probably fight a prospective heavyweight, then fight whoever has the rest of the belts before retiring.

 

Probably, sure.

It's very easy to underestimate how pathetically little Wilder accomplished with that belt - could've fought plenty of decent fighters but chose to stick to journeymen and gatekeepers (until Fury, who showed exactly where Wilders level isn't by embarrassing him whilst unfit and destroying him in the rematch).

Heck, I think you'd struggle to name a champion with that many defences with a more pathetic resume.

Wilder is criminally overrated for what he's actually achieved.

 

Because Wilder only beat one top 15 opponent named Ortiz. If you wanna count bin man Stiverne thats fine too but his resume is thin for a "reigning world champion"

Who really knows. Maybe mediocre guys like Chisora, Parker, Rivas, etc could beat him if they fought Wilder.

 

Because Wilder hasn't fought any other genuine contenders besides Fury ... His best win is Ortiz, who has a journeyman level resume.

Most people seem to rate Wilder at #3 or #4 (behind some combination of AJ, Fury and Usyk), which is more than his resume would justify - to suggest that he's "not as bad as everyone thinks he is" would suggest he should be higher, despite having significantly less on his resume than fighters that most people rate him above... I would suggest that the opposite is the case, he's significantly overrated.

Stopping Breazeale faster doesn't mean much, especially given the approach Breazeale had in that fight, he was wide open to hit and Wilder obliged - no shock that it didn't last long.

 

I definitely see the comparison but Bowe was a force coming up (fury struggled) and pretty much dominated every guy he fought other than golata and holy. His resume would have better names

 

One of the reasons why people underrate Wilder's wins is because they assume that the typical opponents in AJ's pool of wins are much better than Wilder's when there isn't good evidence for this. They used to do this with Fury's wins over Chisora but we now know that Chisora at his best was at least as good as Parker and Whyte. Another reason is that they focus heavily on "names" and pretend that the likes of 39 year old Povetkin, 39.5 year old Pulev and 41 year old Wlad, 17 months inactive and defeated in his last fight were at or close to their best. In reality, there is no legitimate justification for having Wilder below 3rd place on the strength of his heavyweight resume.

Take Ruiz: he went the 12 round distance with Parker in NZ in a very competitive fight and KO'd AJ in the 7th but he was dropped, almost dropped twice, hurt multiple times and won a 12 round decision in a very tough fight against a 40 year old, 18 month inactive, injury-prone Arreola. Wilder (who tore a bicep and broke his right hand in the 4th) had no trouble with a 5 years younger, 4 fights fresher version of Arreola, winning virtually every round, dropping Arreola in the 4th and retiring him after 8. Then take Wilder's win over Siarhei Liakhovich: a KO inside the first 2 minutes. Ruiz on the other hand had a competitive fight with Liakhovich (who had been KO'd 5 times at this point, including by Wilder) and was taken the 10 round distance.

Wilder beat Stiverne 120-107 in the first fight and KO'd him in the 1st round of the rematch. Stiverne was then inactive for over 15 months, came back in atrocious condition and took Joyce to the 6th round. In his two fights before Wilder fought Stiverne for the first time, Stiverne had beaten a younger and fresher version of Arreola than the one Wilder fought, both times more convincingly than Ruiz beat the 40 year old retired version.

Ortiz's best win was over Bryant Jennings with a 7th round KO: arguably a better performance than Wlad, Rivas or Joyce managed. He stopped Dave Allen in the 7th: 3 rounds earlier than Yoka and Whyte went the 10 round distance. He KO'd Cojanu in 2: slightly faster than Dubois, 7 rounds earlier than Ajagba and this was before Dubois and Ajagba fought him, while Parker went the 12 round distance with Cojanu and lost several rounds. Ortiz KO'd Alexander Flores in 45 seconds, while Flores went almost 9 minutes with Parker. Judging purely by their performances against mutual opponents, Ortiz would be AJ's 2nd or 3rd best win at minimum and Wilder KO'd him twice (his only losses) both times in the 2nd half of their fights: Ortiz had a grand total of 50 minutes to KO Wilder and couldn’t.

Duhaupas had wins over Charr and a post-Wilder 6th round KO over Helenius, Szpilka had wins over an older but still serviceable Adamek and a post-Wilder win over Wach and Washington had a 2nd round KO over Jerry Forrest and a post-Wilder 8th round KO over Helenius. I regard Wilder's win over Duhaupas as one of his 5 most impressive (along with Ortiz x2, Breazeale and Stiverne 1) because he demonstrated the ability to easily outbox an extremely durable, big, rangy and relentless pressure fighter, outmuscle him, fight effectively on the inside at times and force the stoppage. And while quality matters more than quantity, racking up 10 defences of his belt was a very impressive feat, requiring not just exceptional talent but great focus, motivation and discipline. Every fighter on the WBC ladder was thinking about Wilder, preparing specifically for him well in advance and studying the great quantity of footage, while Wilder had many contenders to worry about and could only concern himself with one at a time. This is also the division where any given opponent has the biggest puncher's chance and Wilder faced a greater variety of body types, styles, sizes and stances in his run than any champion before the Klitschko era. Wilder managed more consecutive heavyweight title defences than Tyson, Lewis, Vitali and AJ: in the modern era only Wlad surpasses him in this respect. He was also not overthrown by a B or C level heavyweight like Douglas, McCall, Rahman, Sanders or Ruiz but by the best heavyweight of his era and the best H2H heavyweight of all time.

Breazeale was a durable guy who took some knocking out: AJ needed more than 6 rounds and 166 punches for the referee to step in but Wilder ended the fight inside one round with a single punch. If it was so easy to spark Breazeale then AJ would have done it rather than wear him down with a vast accumulation of blows. At the very minimum this shows that Wilder's explosive one-punch power is levels above AJ's and combined with his superior speed, agility, length, unpredictability, toughness, stamina, confidence, determination, killer instinct and experience, he would be extremely dangerous for virtually any heavyweight in history.

 

Many thought that a 22-0 Bowe got a gift decision over a washed-up Tony Tubbs. Biggs and Coetzer also gave him problems in his 22nd and 31st fights respectively. Bowe was 21.5 when he made his pro debut and he had a longer amateur career than Fury, who made his debut at 20. Another big factor in how well you do on the way up is how ambitious the matchmaking is: Fury was fighting at British level in his 8th fight at 21 and European level in his 15th fight just before he turned 23. Bowe didn't fight at or above European level before he fought Holyfield at 25 in his 32nd fight.

 

If Fury retires after beating Wilder then he will have one successful title defense to add to his legacy.

 

Fury's already beaten two heavyweight champions with the most (201+ lbs) consecutive defences (18) and the joint third most (10) of all time, as well as a 2x cruiserweight champion, all on the road. Quality > quantity.

 

worst era of hw in the 50 years ive been watching the sport. fury is a clown and ridiculously overated, wilder cant fight at all, the best of the lot was upset by this generations butterbean. none of these guys could compete with the best from any other era at their peak. none.