Mike Tyson vs Sonny Liston

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Mike Tyson vs Sonny Liston

  1. Tyson By PTS

    5.1%
  2. Tyson By KO/TKO

    37.3%
  3. Draw

    1.7%
  4. Liston By PTS

    1.7%
  5. Liston By KO/TKO

    54.2%
  1. moneytheman12

    moneytheman12 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    where you been legend dont think it last more then 1 round mike way to fast son was way to easy to hit he was so slow
     
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  2. clinikill

    clinikill Active Member Full Member

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    I think you're underselling Liston a bit here. Sonny's jab was insanely powerful and accurate, and I think it would keep Tyson at bay for several rounds. Also, Liston had top-tier power, which could frustrate Mike. I agree with you, though, that Tyson's speed, power and combination ability would ultimately overwhelm Sonny and get him out of there.
     
  3. moneytheman12

    moneytheman12 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    not underrating him his jab was strong but was to slow it was a basic come forward jab which would be real easy to counter and was only accurate when his opponent was where he needed them to be if they wasnt his aim was bad

    for it to be effective he would have to had use it by moving around the ring that's the only type jab that bothered mike not a simple jab with no movement using it

    power means nothing when it cant land much
     
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  4. Stiches Yarn

    Stiches Yarn Active Member Full Member

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    Really? Liston thought the big cat cut his throat????
    Where did you get that interesting information from??
     
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  5. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Dude you seem a bit divorced from reality.
    You act like everybody is trying to control you: NO.
    Your grammar is so poor it is often impossible to understand you.
    I was nice to you & have no problem that English is not your first language.

    But you should realize it is not rational to think highly literate folks like me cannot "read good"-your English is so bad that nobody is likely to know what you MEAN when you talked about the quote issue.

    Ask...Anyone.
    And now you conclude that myself & "all you liars" are lying to you-with absolutely no reason behind that conclusion.

    That is *not* a language issue.
    That is a problem with goodwill & being rational-& possibly mental health.

    You are causing unnecessary conflict & getting worked up, raging in a paranoid manner when you are the problem here.

    Please do not bother to respond to me unless you can be logical & decent.
    That includes to this note.
    Thank you.
     
  6. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The guy is just a troll, Entaowed. Anyone who doesn't agree with him he labels a troll, ******ed, idiot. I get the feeling he might be a disgruntled ex-member coming back to irritate everyone with his uneducated and wildly biased drivel. I found him entertaining for longer than I thought he would, but now he's getting tiresome.
     
  7. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    You can make a good case for Tyson, but you are wrong that Sonny's jab was basic & easy to avoid.
    If that was so, he would not have used it so effectively against men who tended to be smaller, thus on average faster, than Tyson's opponents. It is universally recognized with Holmes the greatest HW jab.
    Even Patterson & Ali could not avoid it that much.

    But while ego prevents the vast majority from having the strength-ironically-to reconsider, surprise me.
    That is: it is an extremely rare thing for any ATG to take out another in one round.
    Even Foreman, who had a major stylistic advantage against Frazier, who was by then well past his prime, could not do that.
    And most everyone can show Liston had the stylistic advantage against Iron Mike.

    Now it is still quite possible Tyson's greater speed & combinations overcome that.
    But your 1 round prediction sounds like extreme fan wishful thinking. That almost never happens in real life.
    And unlike Tyson, Liston was never stopped early-excepting when he chose to not rise against Ali 2 when Ali refused to retire to a neutral corner & the mob threatened his life-even then Walcott stopped it illegally on the bad advice of boxing writer Nat Fleischer.

    And Liston was NOT "so slow".
    He was not particularly fast. But the point has been made that his inside shots were a decent speed.

    He was not like old Foreman. Rethink taking the most radical, indefensible positions.
     
  8. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Alright thanks man! But some trolls believe their lies or stories, I wonder if he is unhinged from reality.
    How are things going for you? Still lifting Epic Weights such as about a full set with 160 lbs. dumbbells? You need not do so to be healthy, backing off & being lighter will be better for you.
    Hell I am ~ 10% overweight, this summer have not felt like hitting the gym much, recently the pool & some beach...And when occasionally I hit 30 deep dips I feel virtuous!
     
  9. moneytheman12

    moneytheman12 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    wishful no easy to avoid yea he was real slow and easy to read mike made mutiple people drop in the first when they had easy to see slow punchers thats not a lie it's on vid

    why do you keep saying that quote of jab why no other punches cause Mike fought way faster jabbers and made them miss he wouldnt have any trouble ducking from a slow motion jab it makes no sense to say he would it's on vid

    ali was always a showoff which is why he didnt just outbox him like he could have

    like you said yesterday son didnt fight using the jab moving around the ring which even Jimmy used son jab wasnt like that it was a come forward slow jab that's not a lie it's on vid that jab style would leave him open to counters

    he would have to use it like Jim or anybody else in the 80s-90s in order to land much and it would need to have more speed
    thats why I said it was basic it was a outdated style of throwing punches like the louis era which I said was trash compared to 70s-90s

    mike would have a tougher time with Jim cause of the reason I said
     
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  10. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Slightly favour Tyson.
     
  11. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My apologies. Have been running around for a wedding the last couple days and rarely had any free time. Here you go

    "I went out to feel him out in the first round and he almost knocked me out. I thought he had cut my throat" Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/54153015/daily-news-post/
     
  12. Stiches Yarn

    Stiches Yarn Active Member Full Member

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    No problem, thanks champ!
     
  13. Devon

    Devon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I would be largely in favour of Liston if he had an uppercut, but that was something he didn't have, I still slightly favour him, but not to the extent I would.
    This would be a high paced fight for a few rounds until they both become gassed, then later on Liston gets a second wind and stops Tyson later on, if a taller fighter with a longer reach is tired or hurt, he can move away and fence with the lead hand to avoid them getting close or clinch, what can the short fighter do when he is hurt or tired? Just cover up, Tyson certainly couldn't get on his bike
     
  14. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hey! Yes, still going really heavy, 300 lbs for barbell bent over rows. I have backed off the creatine and super-protein diet as my kidneys were straining some. Weighing in a 270, people tell me I look like a walking house lol.

    With my being an older dude you're especially right, it's probably best for me to back off and lift lighter. My current supplementary job (I'm a full time composer) is as a bouncer in a pretty rough place, so it might be a really good idea to back off the very heavy lifting and just concentrate more on the boxing training.

    LOVE deep dips, great chest exercise!
     
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  15. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    You got this size absent any PEDs, just Creatine & protein (1.5 grams per lb. & maybe 8 meals a day)?
    If so, you not only work hard, but have great genes.
    You will be more fit overall, better cardio (not that I do too much for that), like all the top athletes if you carry less muscle. This is why no top boxer is near your weight at your height.

    A decathlon champion might be in the 180's max at 6', you need not lose that much bulk, but I am guessing you will feel better around 240! Do you agree?