What if Tyson Fury retires after beating Wilder

He wouldn’t have to avoid it for 12 rounds as he would have finished him well before then. If feather fisted fury can put wilder on his arse and back him up then Joshua certainly could.

 

Not even Fury could avoid that right hand, and he nearly got sparked out in the first fight. Joshua is too stiff to do anything other than eat right hands all night. Of course anything can happen though.

 

Within a year of losing virtually every round to 27 year old Fury in Germany, 38.66 year old Wlad had smashed a prime Pulev to bits in a much more destructive performance than prime 31 year old AJ managed against a 39.5 year old, 13 month inactive Pulev. 17 months after losing to Fury in Germany, 41 year old, inactive and defeated Wlad fights 27.5 year old, 18-0, active AJ in Britain and outboxes him for most of their 11 round fight, virtually taking him out in the 6th and having him out on his feet for 5 rounds. I maintain that the version of Wlad who Fury schooled in Germany would be the favourite vs virtually any other heavyweight in history and certainly any heavyweight before the 90's.

According to comparative performances and shared opponents at HW, Wilder is the 2nd or 3rd best heavyweight in the world along with AJ. Wilder's attributes, particularly his explosive power + length + speed would give a good chance against virtually any heavyweight in history. If it was easy to put together 10 defences then AJ wouldn't have lost to Ruiz, Tyson wouldn't have lost to Douglas and Lewis wouldn't have lost to McCall and Rahman.

 

Wlad and Vitali were ducking him, hoping he'd get defeated so they wouldn't have to fight him. Wlad's trainer said that Fury was a huge threat to Wlad and he knew it. After Fury defeated Chisora it was Chisora who got a title shot against Vitali and he gave Vitali his toughest fight since Lewis. After that it was Charr and retirement.

 

Joshua wouldn’t eat right hands all night though. He would either eat one and lose or in my opinion eat none and win comfortably.

I think before wilder lost to fury he had a much better chance of beating Joshua. Back then I think they may have looked to keep away from him and try and play it safe which gives wilder 12 rounds to catch him, now however they would look to get rid of him early. I think Joshua would be able to punch straight through wilders guard and get rid of him in 2-3 rounds.

 

He beat Jennings better than Wlad, Rivas and Joyce
He beat Allen better than Whyte and Yoka
He beat Cojanu better than Parker, Dubois and Ajagba
He beat Thompson better than Pulev and Takam
He beat Hammer roughly as well as Povetkin and Yoka
He gave 10 defence champion Wilder the two toughest and most competitive fights of his non-Fury opponents
And he had very good (though not elite) amateur pedigree

Seeing as Ortiz fought Jennings (one of Wlad's better contenders) and Wilder twice, I can't see how he was ducking genuine contenders. It's more likely that he was being ducked by contenders and champions when he was younger and viewed as a serious threat. Based on mutual opponents and comparative performances, Ortiz is clearly better than Parker and Whyte.

 

always ranked higher than derrick

 

only because uncle al bought him a ranking. and by always around the Vitaly and Haye fights where was Chisora ranked and where was Ortiz?

 

he beat Jennings after an old shot Wlad did. and followed it up with nothing zelch nada matter of fact hit last fight the other fighter took a dive. how many more did before that? he also popped twice for PEDS and lost his ko power after he was popped the second time.

 

The Jennings fight showed that Wlad had seriously declined Wlad he had 60+ pro fights and a lot of mileage at almost 40 years old Fury beat a past prime Wlad no matter how you slice it... Coincidentally one who Wilders handlers still refused to put him in with even referring to him as a " baby champion" when asked about unification with an old Wladamir.

 

Journeymen often take dives when they get hit sufficiently hard lol, Flores didn't have good punch resistance or Parker (who couldn't KO a clearly chinny Cojanu over 12) wouldn't have KO'd him at the end of the 3rd. Jennings's other loses (Rivas 12th round TKO, nip-and-tuck) and Joyce (fairly competitive) were far less decisive than Ortiz's win and as I've outlined his wins other against shared opponents (Hammer, Thompson, Allen, Cojanu) compare very favourably with other contenders and ex-champions. He got KO'd by Wilder twice because Wilder is an elite heavyweight, though he gave Wilder his toughest and most challenging fights outside Fury.

 

My sentiments exactly lol.

 

Jennings fought very defensively against Wlad much like Ibragimov and Haye who he also failed to KO and Wlad had difficulties with the awkward styles of Thompson and Chambers. Had any of these performances been substituted for the Jennings win (where Wlad was penalised for holding, unlike most of his fights in Europe) you would have said Wlad was shot when he clearly wasn't, proven by the fact that two years after Jennings, 17 months inactive, defeated and away from home, he gives a 27.5 year old, 18-0, active AJ all he can handle and should have beaten him. Due to advances in standards of safety, nutrition and conditioning and probably PED's, fighters can stay in or close to their prime for much longer. Wlad was possibly the most disciplined and freakishly motivated HW champion of all time, hence his 23 title defences against the biggest HW contenders of all time. He also took relatively little damage in his reign due to his defensive skills. In terms of experience, boxing skills and confidence on his run and being at home, Wlad was at his peak, as well as being 245 lbs and in outstanding condition. The degree to which Wlad had slowed down was minimal, he'd just never been in the position where he had to fight someone with Fury's unique collection of attributes before. Finkel was hesitant to put Wilder in with Wlad because Wilder had little experience above journeyman level and Wlad still had a lot left in the tank.