Manny's ATG Ranking?

And who's his best win? That means more than all that other stuff. If you haven't beaten an elite atg then you're not a top 10 atg let alone top 5. You also lose your legacy fight wide which hurts him as well because that was his chance to get a win over an elite atg and he failed. I dont care about weighclasses its about who you beat while doing it.

 

Yes it does hurt it not badly but it does suffer. Ugas was no world beater and pac was favored to win. It's not like he lost to Crawford a current top 2 p4p ranked fighter he lost to ugas ffs.

 

42 coming off a 2 year lay off while being a part time boxer. We all knew there was a possiblity that Pac would come in completely shot and he did.

 

Pac>>>floyd

 

He should have retired that's his problem not anyone else. He came in with a great camp you said he was looking great in sparring then when he doesn't deliver in a fight he was the favorite in you want to downplay it and make excuses for him that's not the way it works. He must be held accountable for his loses just like he would get praised if he had won.

 

Not when they fought and he doesn't hold better wins in canelo and pac.
Pbf>pac

 

You’re contradicting yourself. You’re giving Leonard a pass for getting his ass kicked by Norris and Camacho when he put himself in that position by doing a bunch of coke, drinking way too much, and generally not being a professional. Floyd and Manny were successful at that age.

Leonard has a better top 5 wins than Manny. Manny has about 3 or 4 times more championship level fights over about twice as many weight classes, and nobody he lost to didn’t lose to him between ages of something like 20 and 36.

You don’t set the rules for how it’s decided who gets ranked higher.

 

Dream on pimpsqueak. History will be much kinder to the accomplishments of Pac, the only Internationally recognized superstar of his generation.

 

Srl lost the last 2 fights of his career to a atg at 154 in Norris and a hof in Camacho are you serious? You're the one downplaying his wins over Duran hearns Hagler and benitez because you know pac has nothing to compare to that. Srl didn't lose to trash like horn he didn't lose torrecampo and didn't need 3 fights with a guy like Bradley or to a faded erik Morales. I couldn't careless about those weight classes when you didn't beat atg fighters to do it and you lost to the best fighter you faced in pbf wide. Srl didn't lose wide to Duran who's greater than pbf.

 

Sure he might win a popularity contest but at the end of the day it's about wins and losess and pbf has better wins and no loses he also has a dominant h2h win over pac. Pac like rjj hung around too long and should have retired after he beat thurman pbf went out on top and knew when it was time to call it a day.

 

Just about the only thing that Pac has over Floyd is the amount of divisions he got a title in, Other than that it's all FLOYD.

 

Pac's record speaks for itself top 5
Floyd's bogus record was compiled by Bob Bennett, the NSAC, USADA & Vegas boxing officials. All Wolfie had to do was show up, be standing at the final bell & he would not lose. Thats not an ATG that a cowardly cheating freak lol Without his "help" he dont make top 100

 

I have him in the goat discussion. He is naturaly 135 pounder but has fought at 147 for over a decade and has made phenomenal success even at the age of 40.

 

Easily top 20, i have him in the top 15 and if you made a great argument you might convince me to put him in the back half of top 10

 

Floyd fans saw floyd schooling him
Pac fans compared faces and said pac was robbed
Unbias fans pointed out all the prefight shenannigans with the iv and how corrupt and partial the nsac was and most thought it was a draw.