Manny's ATG Ranking?

Same as I have for years, top 10 ATG. Same as I don't lower B-Hop for taking one too many fights too old and losing to a guy he beats in his prime. Now if Pac continues to fight on several more times losing, getting stopped what have you...Then in that case he would get the Roy Jones/James Toney deduction and drop down some. You got to remember his last fight was 2 years ago at 40 years old, and he beat one of the best WW's on the planet att in that fight. This loss proves he no longer has it, but it does nothing to affect his legacy imo.

 

Camacho was trash when Leonard fought him. Leonard had a big size advantage over Duran and still lost.

Pacquiao still beat Bradley and Thurman after age 35. Leonard did nothing but get his ass kicked as a betting favorite at that age.

Pac gave trilogies and 4x series with fighters who were competitive. Leonard headed for the hills after Duran quit, Hearns gassed, and Hagler “lost.”

If Leonard gave those rematches and won, he’d definitely be ahead of Pac. As is, it’s arguable either way.

 

The Hearns draw was bull****, Tommy won that. Same goes for the Hagler fight, Hagler won that fight.

Agreed on everything else too, Camacho was crap when Ray fought him, honestly Hector was always good never great imo.

 

SRL was out of boxing for like 7 years and was 41 when he fought Camacho are you being serious here or trolling? He lost to a top 5 or 6 ATG in Duran and then avenged the loss.

Pac lost to Bradley and lost to PBF and Horn and now Ugas in a fight he was favored in.

SRL gave rematches to Duran and Hearns so I don't know what you're talking about there. Pac got put in a coma by JMM and went life and death with him for times. I like JMM but if you're fighting him 4 times and can't beat him clearly then no way in hell are you better than SRL. You're an excuse maker a common theme for Pac fanbois who fail miserably to try to justify his placement over SRL. There's no way you can say Pac has any wins better than Duran Hagler or Hearns they're all 100000 light years better than anyone Pac beat those are facts and can't be refuted. His losses are also not as bad those are facts as well. SRL was more skilled than Pac another fact! The only thing Pac has over SRL is achievements, more weight classes which SRL is no slouch in that department either as he won titles from 147-175. So when you add it all up, SRL with him having better wins and not as bad losses with his skill level and achievements he's greater than Pac.

 

So Leonard gets a pass for having horrible late career but Manny isn’t given credit for putting in work? You see the contradiction?

I bet on Bradley to beat Pac, and I still don’t agree with that verdict. Nevermind that Bradley was on pfp lists. He did lose to Ugas, like I expected, and he lost controversially to Horn, but neither kicked his ass.

SRL did not give immediate rematches to Duran and Hearns. He cherry picked them after waiting the better part of a decade and it still backfired against Hearns.

Leonard really didn’t do **** compared to Pac in terms of weight climbing. He was a three weight champ and didn’t really deserve the 160 title.

You’re gonna have to fill me on this 175 title. I know nothing of the sort. What I do know is that Leonard’s career full of primadonna tactics and the late career flop put Pacquiao in the discussion for being ahead of him. And Floyd flat out is ahead.

 

If I remember correctly, when Leonard fought Donny LaLonde both 168 & 175 pound titles were on the line somehow. It was Leonard who was the money man att so divisions be damned. Same type of deal with Canelo who won the MW title from Cotto at a 150 something catchweight.

 

Shhh. I was waiting for Pimp to put a spin on it.

Cotto shits all over Lalonde and that fight wasn’t for a 160/168 belt so no comparison there.

 

Yeah, I just meant how does a sanctioning body okay a fight for their title which was the lineal MW title to be fought at a lower catchweight. Not that he fought for 2 different weight division titles in 1 fight like Leonard did with LaLonde.

 

He's a F***o like you, bruh. He ain't no P*****d. So he's definitely not trolling.

 

SRL retired after his loss to Norris he came off a 7 year lay off at 41 to fight Camacho. Pac wasn't retired and not coming off a 7 year lay off when he fought Ugas big difference there. Even still Camacho is a HOF fighter Ugas isn't.

SRL did give Duran a rematch him quitting and making excuses for the loss left a bad taste in his mouth as well as others. I wouldn't have given him a immediate rematch either he was a sore loser and gave SRL no credit for the win. As far as Hearns SRL stopped Hearns in their first fight. That doesn't guarantee you get a rematch if you get stopped even if you were ahead on the cards. SRL won by stoppage.

SRL beat Hagler he did deserve his tittle there and he won Lolonde's 175 title which was up for grabs in their fight.

Neither PBF or Pac are ahead of SRL on any ATG list his wins are better than both whether you like it or not. Pac could have had a case had he beat PBF who's an elite ATG but even then he probably wouldn't get the nod. In reality his best wins simply don't measure up to SRL's best wins and his losses are much worse than SRL's.

 

He must be a SRL hater then because there's no way Pac's wins are greater than his.

 

That fight still took place at middleweight bc they were under 160 over 154. They met the rules for a middleweight title fight. The catch weight was their business.

Lalonde was total horse**** involving the shiftiest champion available to Leonard.

 

Don't agree with it being their business. MW is a limit of 160, you shouldn't be allowed to demand the champion has to weigh under that amount. No argument about the LaLonde fiasco.

 

Newsflash to all you cats that constantly bring up SRL in these threads to downgrade Pac yes He ranks higher than Pac but he also ranks higher than Floyd and higher than anyone who made their debut in the last 40 years.