Does the hair follicle test make Canelo INNOCENT/CLEAN?

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  1. xqhour

    xqhour New Member banned Full Member

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    Canelo failed two drugs test on February 17 and 20 in 2018.

    On March 29 Nevada commission collected hair samples from Alvarez and they were tested at the Sports Medicine Research & Testing Laboratory, a WADA-accredited lab in Salt Lake City, Utah, Bob Bennett

    The results document was returned on April 20 with a single note in the section reserved for analysis details: Hair sample tested for clenbuterol. Clenbuterol was not detected.

    If an athlete has taken the substance over a period of time in the past, his/her hair test might return a positive for a period of six months or longer.
     
  2. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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  3. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    No, it does not…if anything, it brings weight to the fact they used a method that would prove he’s innocent, even if he failed another 2 tests.

    I don’t have time to go into detail but can provide more information later. In the interim, here’s a small insight.

    In short, hair follicle tests are a flawed testing method that has been discouraged in PED testing around the world. Equine (horse racing) have used this testing for years - and since seen to be wildly inaccurate.

    For example, if testing subject A has dark hair, they are up to 4x more likely to have an accurate reading over 5 tests in comparison to someone with blonde or ginger hair.

    This may have been the sole reason why Canelo’s team used the follicle test in the first place - from the outside it looks like they went the extra mile for more stringent testing. Whereas, the truth is anything but that. The reality is, Canelo could have undertaken 20 different follicle tests, knowing that a number of these would come back with very low dose rates. His team could then disregard the majority of these with high results and only publish the minority result with low readings.

    This would align perfectly with the ‘tainted meat’ theory. It sounds like tinfoil hat territory, but I assure you, using the hair follicle method is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Exactly why I have little respect for Canelo. It’s one thing to cheat, but to have it covered up is another thing.

    Feel free to research it yourself. Just look up Equine Hair Follicle Testing. This has been well tested in New Zealand
     
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  4. IsaL

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    A hair follicle test can detect clenbuterol use for up to a year and possibly more.

    Victor Conte a PED guru said Canelo taking and passing the test cleared his name.

    What Canelo haters hold on too is that sometimes the values detected on the test may not be accurate, if your hair is a lighter color. However, it doesn't conclude that there is a possibility of no detection, just the values can possibly come back inconsistent.

    Canelo passed the HFT with flying colors.

    Also, the Lab director from the lab that tested the February samples said that the values were consistent with the consumption of tainted meat.

    No one but Canelo knows for certain whether he cheated or not, but based on the entire scenario, if any fighter deserved the benefit of the doubt, this fighter did.
     
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  5. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    You want to go over this again, huh?

    I love how you intentionally throw around acronyms to sound intelligent. In reality, you know nothing about steroids, how they work or how they are tested. But hey, so long as it fits the ginger-haired agenda.

    Lets not forget, this same moron posted:

    "Manny's head is massive, he definitely used PEDS for years" - ISAL
    "Canelo only failed two tests, but he's never done PEDS" - ISAL

    Let's ignore the noticeable change in Canelo's stamina though. Who'd have thought that clen (bronchodilator) would help Canelo fix his heavy breathing later in fights... Mexican beef is the best.
     
  6. BCS8

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    No it does not.

    The follicle test is inaccurate, tends to throw out negative results when there's a positive and most of all so in red haired individuals. It's a known fact.
     
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  7. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    With that being said, it was only when Canelo Alvarez tested dirty that they changed the rules on clen levels... that's all the information you need.

    Because of the above, if you're a dirty athlete, you can finish a full 8-week cycle and once you're ready to taper off, run 20-0 mcg clen over 2 weeks. Depending on when testing is done, you can plan for only trace amounts would be found in a hair follicle test.

    Better yet, claim you went to Mexico and you can get away with more than the standard athlete (I'm only joking with this line, but you would have an argument, given Canelo's levels).
     
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  8. Robney

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    Yep, Mexican athletes have a build in excuse to use Clenbuterol as their PED of choice, certainly in the sports that benefit greatly from it like boxing. No wonder so many Mexican athletes (even when not living in Mexico) tested positive for it.
    If I was a Mexican and wanted to cheat in sports, Clenbuterol would be a definite no-brainer first choice.
     
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    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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  10. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    It's a little time ago now but the lab work that team Canelo tried so hard to suppress did, eventually, come out. Apparently the Nevada Commission weren't satisfied with the lab that conducted the initial hair test and they sent it to an independent institution in Reno.

    The results came back and were so incendiary that a court case saw his then promoters, Golden Boy trying to have the result suppressed. Thankfully for boxing's reputation, the judge threw the attempt out as unconstitutional.

    This was the press release that the lab issued on behalf of the commission:

    'Following many weeks of speculation we can confirm that two samples of hair from Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez were submitted to comprehensive testing procedures. After the first sample tested positive we were requested to make a second test on the so called B sample. That result was consistent with the initial A sample result and we can therefore confirm that this man is, indeed, ginger.'

    'With so much invested in the fighter it's unlikely that this result will go unchallenged. Seasoned observers expect an appeal that may reach the Supreme Court itself. There's precedent in US history to support such an action. In Harford versus Kowalski (1909) it was established that gingers are indeed entitled to be treated as fellow citizens under the US constitution, although obviously this does not extend to voting in elections or serving on juries or in the armed forces.'
     
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  11. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    WADA and other states athletic commissions (i.e. California) already didn't suspend athletes for trace amounts of clen when Canelo popped. It was only Nevada's archaic rules at that time who didn't recognize the contaminated meat problem in Mexico and had an automatic suspension for any positive test. So Nevada just didn't "get the memo" from WADA that was already out there long before Canelo popped. They should have been aware of the situation in Mexico and adopted their rules accordingly. Nevada changed the rules after they suspended Canelo when they realized they did an injustice to Canelo and they did not adopt the WADA guidelines beforehand as they should have.
     
  12. Bumnard_Hopkins

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    "Pacquiao carried his power as climbed in weight, must be PEDs" - ISaL
    (Ignore the fact that he hasn't. Last stoppage was Matthyse)
    "Canelo cannot be on PEDs despite becoming a KO machine at higher weights" - ISaL
     
  13. Surrix

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    Clenbuterol is one from most effective PEDs human history does knows and additionally to this it helps to cut weight with low or almost 0 muscle mass loss. Yeah, it is used in cattle pharms to rise pigs etc with low fat and still huge mass.
    Some athletes in europe had been popped for clen and had get DQ for 1 year, 2 years or 4 years.
    Clen is one from most effective PEDs for athletes who should maintain weight class. Better than casual roids.

    I do not know had clenbuterlo used something or no, he does cherry pick opponents, had fought aging and smaller than he opponents, used clauses and cleneloweight, fought in states where some stacking isn't strictly banned, in places where he was huge tickets seller.
    Clen also had jumped up and down in weight classes: for me Ward looks more clean and trustable fighter than Clenelo.
    U move up or once up and then down. Nothing else. Catchweights and clauses, uncles as opponents.
    Damn.
     
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  14. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you want a reason to hate on Canelo the failed drug test is the perfect excuse to hang on to any objective observer though, let it go as soon as the agency that tested and caught Canelo said it was also an accident and not him trying to cheat. When the people who catch you clear you it’s no other argument to make
     
  15. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Clen should be tested in Switzerland ( they will not gave a bare **** about pro boxers cash cows dreams ), Germany and in Russia and to fight in one from these countries.
    If he will do this, I will respect him. Cos he is good boxer but not more than Ottke, actually TODAY far lower respect from me than Ottke might get.