What fights has Canelo

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1:25 left in 3rd Round Roy Jones "GGG breathing pretty hard already Max, he looks a little uncomfortable right here"
    1:21 Max "He's being outboxed" RJJ "Yes"
    1:14 Jim "Left hook from GGG"
    1:12 Roy "Even right then, that hook he landed, he didn't seem confident with it Jim"
    0:51 Roy "What I'm seeing is the same thing I saw from Andre Ward and Kovalev, GGG is boxing but Ward was landin the bigger punches. The punches that made him respect him. Canelo is landing the bigger puncher that's making GGG respect him"
    0:38 Max "That's right, and GGG missing upstairs, Canelo's slick up there"
    0:35 Jim "Had an open shot at a left hook there, and missed it, did GGG"
    0:27 Jim "The power of the counter puncher Canelo has thrown GGG off, doesn't seem willing to go to the body, perhaps fearful of getting countered upstairs. That's why Canelo has a 14-0 lead by compubox count in body punches landed so far"
     
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  2. BCS8

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    Your opinion is worth approximately a crushed roach and an empty matchbox. Thanks for taking the time.
     
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  3. lufcrazy

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    Not sure what you want from me.

    I'm not rewatching the fight, and as I said it's been debated many many times in the past.

    I copied that post for you, to enable you to understand why I considered it a clear Golovkin victory.
     
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  4. BCS8

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    I split the close rounds and had ist 8-4 Golovkin. Threw more, landed more, pushed him back.
     
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  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Here's a strange one : At the beginning of the 3rd round, Lampley said "Every punch Golovkin has landed in the fight, according to Compubox count, is a jab".

    However looking at the official Compubox numbers, Compubox credited GGG with landing 2 power punches in Round 1 and 5 power punches in Round 2.

    I find this rather bizarre. How could the official compubox #s that come out after the fight be so different than the live compubox # that the commentators reference during the fight?
     
  6. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Your opinion is worth used toilet paper for cleaning faeces.
     
  7. BCS8

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    Only Olu uses used toilet paper to clean his ass with :rolleyes:
     
  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And in return, I'm enabling you to understand why it wasn't.
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    In your opinion it wasn't, in my opinion it was.

    All I was doing was answering the thread.

    I wonder what percentage of people who've seen that fight, believe it was a Golovkin victory.
     
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  10. lufcrazy

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    Cos compubox is prone to human error.
     
  11. shadow111

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    This highlights a major discrepancy between HBO's live punch stat numbers and the punch stat numbers that were released after the fight. This is more than just human error. There's clearly two different sets of punch stat numbers, one set of numbers counted live during the telecast and a different set of #s released after the fight that are not consistent with the live numbers.

    We already knew about this discrepency in Round 5, as Canelo was well ahead in overall punches as you can see when watching the round live but yet after the fight Round 5 showed GGG with a punches landed advantage.

    Another anomaly is that the compubox numbers that came out after the first fight did not include body shots, while clearly HBO's live punch stat counters were tracking body punches as Lampley referenced Canelo with a 14-0 body shot landed advantage towards the end of Round 3. Further, the compubox numbers that came out after the rematch DID include tracked body punches, unlike the first fight. Are any of you aware of these anomalies and if so how do you explain them?

    Why were there different sets of compubox numbers on the live HBO telecast vs the #s that came out after the fight? Why were body shot #s not included after the first fight, but were after the rematch, despite being referenced by Lampley during the first fight?
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    Punchstats have always been nonsense, that's why no one takes them seriously.

    Whether they're unofficial, official or compubox.

    All nonsense
     
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  13. Pimp C

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    PBF is his only clear loss
    His first fight with GGG was a draw and Lara didn't do enough to win he fought well the first half of the fight though.
     
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  14. shadow111

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    But as you know, these numbers can be very misleading. In fact many people in the past who have tried to argue that GGG clearly won the first fight referenced the Compubox numbers that favored GGG to make their argument.

    As an example, in the last 30 seconds of the 5th round, HBO put the landed punches that round on-screen, it had Canelo with a 14-8 total punches landed advantage. Before the punches landed display went off-screen, with about 15 seconds left it still had Canelo holding a 14-9 landed punches advantage.

    So the official #s for Round 5 are mathematically impossible. GGG did not land 9 punches in the final 15 seconds. And most importantly, Canelo landed several punches after the display already had him at 14 landed punches. (which is the final number that the post-fight compubox numbers had Canelo in that round)

    Somehow magically GGG went from having only 9 landed punches with 15 seconds left in the 5th round, to a final total of 18 punches landed that round in the #s that were released after the fight. This is highly suspicious. And on top of that, we have Lampley claiming at the beginning of the 3rd round, that in the first 2 rounds, according to Compubox, the only punches GGG landed in the first 2 rounds were jabs, but yet the post-fight numbers have GGG landing 7 power punches in the first 2 rounds.

    How does GGG go from landing 0 power punches in the first 2 rounds according to Lampley during the telecast to landing 7 power punches in the first 2 rounds in the post-fight numbers? And how does GGG go from landing only 9 total punches in the 5th round during the telecast to 18 punches landed that round in the post-fight numbers? Someone clearly manipulated the live numbers to boost GGG's numbers when the post-fight numbers were released, and also the post-fight numbers failed to even include body punches in the first fight which were clearly being tracked by HBO during the telecast. We know Canelo had a very big advantage in body shots landed in the first fight, those not being included in the post-fight numbers is suspicious as well. The higher GGG landed punches per round totals are not consistent with HBO live stats that were displayed or referenced by Lampley during the fight.
     
  15. Surrix

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    Listen, I never ever will value any Canelo fight commentator, pundit or commentators in forums especially cherry pickers Clen ENELO fans crying and dirty claims with tribal souce.
    I had watched Floyd Jr and GGG I st fight vs Clenbuterol hero.
    In both fights I had scored for Floyd Jr and GGG 8 rounds when had watched with 1/4 speed twice.
    Please go to the hell with your sin son Clen Buterol.
    Get that he isn't even barely close to DLH or Holy or Floyd Sr or Jr.

    Cry about Clen belts and how cool Clen is.
    Level below Ottke for sure this is what this is here.

    GGGII fight might be scored as for GGG , a draw or for Clenelo.

    You are dreaming that someone is crying, I never was nor GGG nor Canelo fan.
    Grow balls to fight and be tested in areas not called Texas, Nevada or Cali at first. After this claim to be World Champion.
     
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