What fights has Canelo

But see if you watched the first fight on a round by round basis, and didn't know anything about the Compubox numbers, you'd know that Canelo likes to jab too, and in many of the rounds the two were engaged in a jabbing duel. Frankly Canelo landed more stiff jabs than GGG did in many of the rounds and Canelo was more efficient with the jab since he was mixing a variety of other punches more than GGG. But you would never know this if you just relied on the punch stats. The punch stats make it seem like GGG dominated Canelo with the jab outside of a couple of rounds.

Just to show how misleading the punch stats are, GGG's best round with the jab was round 7. GGG landed more stiff head-snapping jabs that round than any round by far. This is the main reason why many fans said Round 7 was GGG's best and most dominant round of the entire fight. But the punch stats don't tell you that. In fact that Punch stats from Round 7 indicate that was Canelo's best round jabbing of the entire fight. The punch stats said GGG landed 9 jabs and Canelo landed 8 jabs and Canelo landed jabs at a much higher % than GGG that round. But watching the round you can see that GGG landed far more stiff jabs than Canelo and really controlled that round with the jab. If you relied on Punch stats, you would look at those numbers and conclude that Round 7 was a very close round. But in reality, it wasn't, it was widely seen as GGG's best and most dominant round by far. So this just proves how Punch Stats are very misleading and in most cases don't even give you a rough idea of what happened in the round.

I agree with you about how misleading compubox punch stats are. That's my entire point. I'm just pointing out that we all get sucked into referencing punch stats one way or another. (myself included) Either to prove how misleading they are or to use them to disprove what people say happened, as you clearly did initially about how GGG was limited to the jab.

And here's another important point, it wasn't just the Compubox numbers that suggested that GGG was limited to the jab in the first fight. In round 3 the HBO commntary team made this point abundantly clear as they were watching it unfold.

Case in point, Round 3:

0:51 Roy "What I'm seeing is the same thing I saw from Andre Ward and Kovalev, GGG is boxing but Ward was landin the bigger punches. The punches that made him respect him. Canelo is landing the bigger punches that's making GGG respect him"

So right there Roy is making it clear that Canelo was imposing his will on GGG landing the bigger (power) punches while GGG was landing the weaker punches mainly jabs.

Also at the beginning of the round Lampley stated that according to Compubox, the only punches GGG landed in round 1 and 2 were jabs. Which as I pointed out were inconsistent with the final post-fight numbers which had GGG landing 7 power punches in rounds 1 and 2. (Lampley said he landed no power punches in rounds 1 and 2 according to Compubox at the beginning of round 3) The point being that the compubox numbers Lampley cited at the beginning of the 3rd round suggested that GGG was only landing Jabs. (numbers that did not jive with the post-fight compubox numbers released online)

This is just food for thought that the commentary team made it very clear that GGG was only throwing jabs and/or light punches early on, while Canelo was the one loading up on shots and landing the heavy artillery. So this wasn't just based on the post-fight compubox numbers which fans have a habit of relying on, these observations were coming directly from the HBO commentary team as the match was unfolding.

 

Bad idea siding with the fairy Canelo Princess Queen Q. Q is a lost cause, he is not who you want to be siding with. We're having a lively and worthwhile debate here and I respect you and agree with a lot of what you're saying. I was merely using what you said about the power punch Compubox #s as an example to show @lufcrazy what I was talking about earlier. And as far as the point you made about Canelo winning too often which makes him less endearing, come on man. That's hard to stomach. But as far as the rest of what you're saying I'm pretty much agreeing with you for the most part. You're new around here, it's important that you get off on the right foot and make friends with good posters who will have your back. Not crazy posters like Q who have gone off the rails and continue to make a fool out of themselves constantly.

 

Doesn't really make a difference to me tbh.

 

I've not disrespected anyone lol.

I gave Mayweather and Golovkin as examples of fights I believe Canelo clearly lost.

I copied my post that explained why I believe Golovkin should have won the first fight.

Disagree if you want, that's fine, you're entitled to.

 

I know you did, and I appreciate that. You went through some of the rounds though and you said something like GGG's jabs in the 4th round was GGG looking as good as he looked when he fought David Lemiuex which frankly I thought was a little over the top, but hey at least you're being honest lol. And your view of GGG looking so good that night destroys the idea that GGG was somehow way past his prime when he fought Canelo then right lmao.

 

Sounds like a typically GGG stan he move forward eating punches yet he won I gotcha

 

Nah I was rooting for Canelo that night.

 

I know what I said because I wrote it.

In fact I had this very debate with myself in the post I posted.

 

hey man boxing is subjective ive debated enough stans that at a certain point i lump them all into the same boat.. as far as fight I goes to act like GGG put on a dominant performance is false the only controversy about that fight was how they got to the decision and not the actual decision 7-5/6-6/5-7 draw nobody would complain for bat an eye

 

GGG 1 was pretty clear imo

 

yes you do, it's been put forward to you numerous times by multiple posters.

 

More spin. When you start exaggerating everything Canelo does there's nothing to be had in the debate. You were constantly giving emphasis to grazing non scoring shots/punches that didn't land from Canelo.. No one will give you the time of day when you do that...you can't be debated because, like I said, you're either a mentally ill fanboy or paid by Canelos team.

 

I love people that say Amir Khan was schooling Garcia for 2.5 rounds. Tell me more.

 

The guy is a moron don't bother.. That post is another example of extreme fanboyism.

I think it's for the best that no one acknowledge Shadows posts because there is clearly something not right with him

 

What about GGG fans who exaggerate everything GGG does? Like how great GGG's jab was vs Canelo while ignoring that Canelo was landing the heavier power shots.

You know what's an exaggeration? Your scoring of both matches. Didn't you have one of the fights 10-2 or 9-3 GGG or something? You gave GGG rounds that literally no one else gave GGG, like Round 6 of the rematch. Then when called out on your BS, you doubled down and refused to admit that you were on an island with your scoring.

It's one thing to conclude that GGG won either fight, I have said repeatedly that I have no problem with anyone making that argument. But you were giving GGG a ton of rounds, more rounds than even some of the most die hard GGG fans gave him. So don't tell me I'm the one exaggerating when unlike you, I recognized how close both fights were and recognize how close most rounds were. You on the other hand didn't, you acted like both fights were easy to score as wide GGG clear-cut, no-doubt-about-it wins. That's you being a fanboy, being unwilling to budge from your extreme pro-GGG stance on both fights.