[1964 Boxing Illustrated] Marty Marshall: Liston doesn't hit harder than Bob Satterfield

Cleveland Williams who had the joy of getting hit by both starrfield and Liston said:" no human being hit as hard as sonny liston."

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Would be very interesting to see where did that guy got these interesting quotes from.

 

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Would be very interesting to see where did that guy got these interesting quotes from.[/QUOTE]
Excellent find mate!

 

Great stuff.

 

Ben Wise if the perfect guy. He's a mediocre boxer who who had 9 loses and 2 of it are by knockouts and both of those knockout loses came from Satterfield and Liston.

 

Very good detail!
I had heard most of the Shavers testimony. It seems clear that the only possible harder hitter would be a massive SHW.
But not necessarily. Look how strong Liston was, at a seemingly just OK (by modern standards) lean boy mass to height ratio.
While Liston was less than 40, & Foreman must have been stronger when older than his teens, the wheelbarrow strength story is really something.
Some people just have much more strength that what others of similar size have-or develop from the gym.
Bone structure, hand size, arm length/ratio...And some intangibles mean a great deal in some cases.

 

Liston vs Johnson would have been interesting, if that one had ever come off.

 

Satterfield was a monster puncher so it's not an insult ... I remember reading Joe Louis said he thought Satterfield hit harder than Marciano ..

 

What a quality thread!!

I’ll take Marshall’s description of Liston’s post fight dressing room visit and expresses sentiments with a grain of salt. Clearly self promotion.

Also, I doubt Valdes, being ravaged by cancer would think to draw a comparison between that and Liston’s power unless it involves a framed question to solicit such an answer.

Also, as sublime as Foreman’s power was, I do not believe that it literally lifted Frazier off the canvas at any point. Joe had a unique convulsive jump/jerk reflex shortly after being hit by Foreman and no wonder - but he literally launched himself up - as of a high voltage current went through him - so you will still frozen captures of Joe with his feet off the deck.

Also, do we accept that deemed punchers will always punch near enough to the to the power we afford them every time out?

Factors such as conditioning, off nights in terms of execution etc. will effect same. There are also other possible external factors also.

Shavers complained of traction issues with the canvas when he fought Cobb - compromising his ability to set himself and punch to his full potential.

Combining Earnie’s testimony with the vision - I totally believe him - Earnie can be seen slipping and sliding during the fight and it wouldn’t have helped Shavers’ limited gas tank either.

 

All good observations Pugguy!
Did you see my (edited when I chanced upon the silly icons again) reply to your "ban the bah'stahd" gratuitous call out of/to me? ;-)

Also I would say Satterfield + Curtis Shephard likely had the top mid-century punching power at least for their weight.
Although I am gonna guess that say a Baer & Liston-to bracket either end of this era-who were ~ 15% heavier, likely hit I will guess half of that % harder.
Although Liston was more circumspect as a boxer, not always going for broke. And Marshall had reason to downgrade his power a bit given that he was rationalizing how he could beat him.

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In fact, Louis also think Satterfield hits harder than Liston in terms of raw one punch power. Common Marciano and Satterfield opponents claimed Satterfield hit harder.

 

Ha! I see the mods still haven’t caught up with you yet and now you brazenly post your true image online as if to say “Catch me if you can”.

I may post my image but being wanted in multiple states and countries gives me pause.

 

Oh yeah I am the original Leonardo. Decaprio that is. Though he was good in the remake of Romeo & Juliet, too a great movie...

So you are no regular old Pug, not say an old school boxer & 'lil dog hybrid?

I am afraid to ask...What are you wanted for? By the ladieieieies?
I dunno even what these icons mean. But they are trippy & if accidentally tangential to any plausible meaning, my job is done.

 

That’s it. Crimes of passion - breaking too many hearts - guilty in the first degree. I feel a campy 80s song coming on.

DeCaps is a great actor imo. Shutter Island springs to mind as one of his best but there’s been more than a few.

There must be some sort of glossary for these emojibobs.

Some are less obvious than others - very Gary Larsonesque.

Maybe that’s the gag, there is no meaning to a good number of them but we can still pretend that we “get it”. This is one of my personal faves - the deeper meaning of which needs no explaining:-

 

Shannon Briggs said Lennox Lewis didn't hit hard and Vitali Klistchko hit harder. Lewis knocked out a prime Briggs while Vitali couldn't knock down or stop a fat older Briggs. Just because a fighter says something doesn't make it true.

Also a smaller man will never hit as hard as a much bigger man. That is like saying Julian Jackson could punch harder than George Foreman/Lennox Lewis/Mike Tyson ect.

You know who believes size doesn't matter? The people who constantly bring up Rocky Marciano, Gene Tunney, ect and say these guys could beat Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko, George Foreman , Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis ect.

 

Sometimes you don't remember the blows that knocked you out

The ones you withstand usually leave more of an imprint

Liston was an ATG puncher ... The same class as Foreman and Shavers