Vitali vs Lewis - Did this fight prove Vitali's quality?

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  1. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What from this?
    40 y.o over the hill Vitali ( you consider him as overrated and overvalued ) did vs Chisora better than Usyk, Parker, Whyte in first ight vs Chisora, Fury in 1 st fight vs Chisora's older versions.

    Okey, for you Lewis was better than Vitali, for me opposite and nothing here might change this. Nothing, even if you will post 10000000 posts how much Lewis was better than Vitali. '
    It will be your time spent for free and will not change any bare thing for me.

    Btw, how Lewis had performed vs old Holy?
    Imagine how he had looked if old Holy was in his own size and weight & AGE? LOL.
     
  2. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Vitali is very good

    He might not have his brothers punch power and technical skills. However, he is very strong and as everyone knows he has a great chin

    Vitali has a very awkward style and isn't easy to land on and can beat you to the punch when he has his hands low

    His resume isn't the greatest, but he did come back after a few years out and shut out Peter for a world title without dropping a round, if my memory serves me correctly

    Wlad has the greater accomplishments, but vitali is definitely the better fighter head to head
     
  3. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    what a crock of ****.... NOTHING Vitali did or accomplished suggests he was better than Lewis. If LL's name was Lenin Lewiskova, you'd be talking about how great he was.
     
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  4. Bumnard_Hopkins

    Bumnard_Hopkins Burger King banned Full Member

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    Rahman KO5
     
  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lewis KO 4, Lewis undisputed heavyweight champion, Lewis better resume
     
  6. Stiches Yarn

    Stiches Yarn Active Member Full Member

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    I think the fight proved the guy has a granite chin, could box very well on the outside.
    But it also showed Lewis was verryy adaptable.
    Vital was beating him off the jab, and after realizing he lost the first three rounds, he changed his strategy, took it to the streets, rushed on the inside and made it an alley fight.
    He outmuscled him and ripped his face apart and won the next two rounds, and at the end of the sixth round, Lewis took over and was on his way to win the fight.
     
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  7. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nothing wrong, 1 fight lost, pro boxing fans are so cool.
    This does not cancel fact that Lewis was worse than Vitali and therefore he did not fought vs him again.

    I will tell you about my opinion: Tyson and Holyfield were better boxers than Lewis.
    Lewis just was larger, they were over the hill and only therefore he had won vs them.
    If they were in the same size, weight and age, they had KOed Lewis.
     
  8. Salty Dog

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    Imo, Vitali is a tough out for any of the ATG heavies I'm familiar with head to head. His loss to LL is the best credential on either of the brothers' resumes.
     
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  9. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Heavyweights, especially modern super-heavyweights, generally have longer lifespans than any other type of fighter and experience is even more important at HW because HW's tend to have fewer fights, the fights tend to be shorter and there are more body types/styles at HW. So contrary to the narrative pushed by Lewis fans, Lewis at 37.5 may have been closer to his prime than Vitali at 32, who comparatively lacked high level pro experience at that point.

    Lewis was 8.5 lbs heavier than Vitali but this is the heavyweight division: weight provides advantages (including fat) and Lewis was getting pushed back in the clinches. Lewis was clearly not in poor shape either, just 7 lbs heavier than his previous fight against Tyson, which he was completely motivated for. This wasn't remotely comparable to Andy Ruiz in the AJ rematch, 21.5 lbs heavier than he was against Dimitrenko just before the 1st AJ fight despite being 6' at best with stubby limbs.

    My view is that unless any version of Lewis could reliably open up fight-ending cuts on Vitali, he would lose the fight. Lewis was at a size disadvantage, a big chin disadvantage, a volume disadvantage and lacked the size, speed and skills to outbox Vitali on the backfoot, so his path to victory was limited. He and Steward knew this so even though Lewis could have prepared better for the rematch, they didn't take it. Bear in mind that he promised Vitali a rematch and it would have been a huge money and legacy fight with massive public interest. If Vitali had made adjustments to prevent Lewis from hitting the left side of his eye area with regularity, Lewis would have been in massive trouble. Whether Vitali would have made effective adjustments is unknown but the fact that Lewis didn't honour his promise is indicative that he was not confident of winning a rematch.

    Lewis and Bowe were the Klitschko brothers of their era: after that there was a sharp drop off in quality. Lewis has said that Vitali was his toughest opponent and that aligns with what we saw and his behaviour after the fight. Whether you see the fight as proving Vitali's quality largely depends on how highly you rate the 90's, which was seen as a terrible era at the time.
     
  10. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    Proved he would always have been beneath Lennox

    hell even Mavoric did better than Vitali
     
  11. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Total BS about doing better. Mavrovic's claim to fame from that fight was his ability to take punishment. He was clearly UDd
     
  12. NEETzschean

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    A cut is a technical loss which is highly subjective. Vitali was willing to keep fighting and was outraged when the fight was stopped so people felt unsatisfied with the inconclusive ending. Maybe 1-3 rounds later Vitali would have stopped a flagging Lewis, maybe the worsening cut would have impaired Vitali to such an extent that Lewis would have won conclusively.
     
  13. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So stupid.... you post like a kid who plays too many video games..
     
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  14. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Actually, it's not subjective. If the cutman cannot contain it, that's it. Plain and simple. Doesn't matter what Vit wanted. That cut would have only gotten much worse
     
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  15. MarkusFlorez99

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    This is ridiculous, having access fat alone can hinter your speed and stamina as we saw in the Lewis/Klitschko fight and that doesn't take into account that Lewis was preparing for a different opponent. A smaller, inferior opponent to Vitali.

    Lewis also goes on record saying Ray Mercer was his toughest fight and Holyfield as his toughest and best overall opponent. Had prime Ray Mercer from 1996 fought the overweight, slow, sluggish Lewis from 2003, he would have battered him. To bad Vitali couldn't
     
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