The Best of the Rest: 160lbs Tier II Tournie - Last 16 Fight 7: Joey Giardello vs James Toney

Whatever shape Toney is in, I think he loses. That's my point. Seems there are more people who agree with mine than yours.

 

What was the best version of Giardello you've seen, out of curiosity?

 

Who?

 

Him, I meant. The idea being of course, that I still believe that even if we are cherry-picking and choosing only the very best version of these guys, Giardello still wins it. All he refers to is Toney here, almost dismissive of Giardello, which leaves me wondering just how much of him he's actually seen.

 

I think my jibe might have went over your head Sal

 

It did. Still early here.

 

you have been kind of discredited because you referred to an inconsistently conditioned Toney. that is strictly irrelevant for the purpose of this thread.

 

it is not cherry picking at all, more generally those mythical threads only make sense of you match the best versions of each fighter, you agree? you want to find out who the better fighter right? Bu reading your post, I am not sure you want an objective discussion

 

Of course I do; and as is (I thought) inferred previously, I do think the best version of Giardello beats the best version of Toney. I also don't think it's inappropriate to think of other factors that contributed to who these guys were as fighters in a given division.

 

and that is fine for me of you think that. Toney had a habit of pulling out close and difficult fights at middleweight and the judges seemed to somehow like what he was doing. That is why I give the edge to Toney although the fight with Joey would be close and difficult. That for full disclosure

 

It is not unreasonable but it would prove a lesser point if we match Joey against anything but a less peak conditioned Toney in my opinion. I take your point on Buster but gto me the Buster example is kind of an extreme as he only had that 1 great win.

 

I am not sure I agree. In a thread like this, it makes more sense to match the best versions against each other. To be fair, the opening post leaves the question open.

 

You disagreed with me but I'm not sure how that means I have been discredited. But that's okay, it's a forum - we're supposed to disagree about things. No hard feelings!