Bob Foster at SMW today- GOAT 49-0

Early in his professional career, I'd say from around 185-190. Later on, 185-195.

Dick Tiger weighing in at 167 isn't proof of his difficulties making middleweight; it's proof he wasn't a light heavyweight, even by the standards of that era. He fought at 167 years before he won the middleweight crown, and almost a decade before he beat Torres.

 

I think I see where we disagree now. You take the fight night weights at face value. So, when they give out Chavez Jr.'s weight as 180 or Jacobs' as 174, you think that makes them bigger than Spinks.

This, in my opinion, is flawed reasoning. For one, we do not know what Foster or Spinks weighed in at on the night. Two, backward induction does not work because though we assume Chavez Jr. would not make middleweight in any other era before his own, we do not know how a like-sized person would react to diuretics in modern times, especially when said person already drains to 175.

Brandon Rios at 149 is not the same size as Robinson or Kitten Hayward. No diuretic currently in existence would allow Robinson to weigh 135 from the time he first became welterweight champion.

There is such a thing as bloating, and it's common among people who deprive themselves of water. Water weight is not an advantage in the ring.

 

I am unaware of advances in diuretics over the last fifty years or so.

 

What are you saying? I never made any claim about advancement. I acknowledged their use and prevalence in the modern era.

 

There's a lot of talk about improved draining techniques in this thread. Nobody can specify what the changes are other than the unproven assumption that day before weigh ins caused fighters to drain more. Day before weigh ins were started because fighters were draining for same day weigh ins.

 

It depends which era is being discussed in relation to this one. A lot of names have also been thrown around.

I don't think it's unjustified to state that holding the weigh-in a day in advance allowed for safer, and thus, more egregious manipulations of weight.

 

I’m wondering if dropping 7 lbs would hurt him actually. But in terms of raw ability, I could see him easily beating the current crop of SM.

 

It’s an assumption. But when the rule actually changed, few fighters dropped a weightclass.

I don’t think Foster actually knew how to get to 160.

 

Kind of absurd. Foster could never make 168. This idea that oldtime guys would fight divisions under where they fought today is goofy.
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Perhaps they were simply not interested in such drastic cuts?

Look at James Toney. A guy his size could never have made 160 with same day weigh-ins.

 

Disagree