No worries, mate. His fights with Chang are likely his most defining, but neither are particularly good performances - especially the second, which is hands down the poorest I've ever see a talent like Zapata perform - I'd definitely recommend the first, though. Chang is another fighter with brilliant head-movement, and is one of the best pressure fighter ever. His best performances IMO, are German Torres, Joey Olivio and Dodie Boy Penalosa. I If you want entertainment, his first fights with Tomori and Nakajima are awesome, and the rematches are other fights which could qualify as his best performances. His loss to Ursua is a great, albeit short fight. Later in his career, he almost beat flyweight great Santos Laciar, which is an extremely tough fight to score and unfortunately, watch. And the two fights with Fidel Bassa are pretty cool, too. Hope you enjoy him as much as I did. This content is protected
No, FYI I didn't vote. I usually refrain from voting in these kind of polls because it's fun to see Canelo polls be as one-sided as possible against him to highlight how delusional this board is lol.
Delusional because polls on here are echo chambers for his haters. We've seen for years pretty much any poll involving Canelo has been consistently one-sided against him. It's the MO of those who seek validity for their theories about Canelo. Like that GGG beat him, or whether the clenbuterol was from meat contamination, whatever the case may be. I'm just letting you know that I don't typically vote in these kind of polls because 1) there's no point and 2) it's better to keep the poll as one-sided as possible to show how desperate Canelo's haters are to seek validity for their theories against him amongst like minded posters dedicated to disparaging him at every opportunity. His haters live for polls like this. The delusion is hard to deny, I mean Canelo is the P4P King at this point, has been destroying his opposition, to not recognize greatness, to be in denial about how good Canelo is at this point is pretty severe delusion. You don't even have to be a fan of him to see how good he is at this point. And polls like this only seek to deny how good he is.
The poll is about head movement Not about how good overall he is, thats quite obvious Its also not about the GGG fights, but thanks for bringing it up again Instead of writing a BS essay to me, answer Georges rebuttal in regards to a question you yourself posed
I'm not making the argument that he's Top 10 in this category, all I'm saying is that it's hard to take any poll involving Canelo seriously given how one-sided polls are on this site involving him. Pretty much any poll involving Canelo is merely an echo chamber of his biggest haters. I think he's arguably one of the best defensive fighters all-time when it comes to head movement, but of course it's very debatable. And I appreciate George's links to other great fighters, fun to watch some of those guys highlights and compare them to Canelo. But lets keep in mind that many of the examples George gave were from the lower weights. It's exceedingly rare to see a fighter showcase such defensive head movement mastery at higher weights like Super Middleweight. Generally fighters at lower weights are more flexible than fighters at higher weights. So I think this is something to take into consideration when comparing Canelo to other all-time great defense fighters with sublime head movement who fought at lower weights.
The OP mentions nothing about weight classes Therefore irrelevant tbh If someone is better, then they are better Nobody asking any reason as to why they may be better Just a simple are they or aren't they
Not irrelevent, it's generally harder and rarer for bigger fighters at higher weights to showcase the kind of defense mastery we're talking about than smaller fighters at lower weights. It makes Canelo's defensive skills that much more impressive, the fact that he's a much bigger fighter than a lot of the guys he's being compared to.
Please, give me a break. It's a perfectly valid and relevant point. You are being far too obvious in your disdain for Canelo to be taken seriously. His defensive head movement and upper body movement skills are on a whole nother level to pretty much anyone we've seen in our life time. The fact that George has to go back generations to find guys that can even be compared to him in this regard speak volumes. The attempts at trying to gloss over Canelo's defensive head and upper body movement skills is pathetic.
Its not relevant Its just your mechanism to try and shoe horn a factor that might place your boy a bit higher I dont mind Canelo tbh so your being paranoid
How far back in history do you have to go to find someone that is on Canelo's level in regard to defensive head / upper body movement? Who was the last fighter that you can remember who showcased these kind of skills?
Ali Jones Toney Qawi Walcott Moore Tyson Byrd Young Torres Were all bigger than Canelo and all had better head movement and better defense than him.
