Is Canelo all time top 10

It's bloody insulting to even mention Clenelo's name in the same breath as Loma's in terms of skills and talent. Loma's a once in a generation talent and an absolute magician between those ropes. Good luck trying to make a Jesus walking on water HL reel like his about any other fighter in the sport and that includes ever single one of his fellow P4P top 10 peers too. He's pure poetry in motion and has even somehow managed to create a new style all of his own. He's already fought four of the top 10 fastest fighters in the game in GRJ, Rigo, Linares, and Teofimo, all of whom in addition to possessing blazing fast hands are supremely athletic and physically gifted fighters and he literally toyed with two of them like they were rank novice junior amateurs. He was injured against the other two and was giving away huge physical advantages.

He restricted Gary ''The Fastest Hands in the Sport'' Russell Jr. to landing only 10% of his punches, in GRJ's back garden in just his third pro fight.

He toyed with another once in a generation magician and special talent in Rigo and made him quit in his corner. Rigo came up through the Cuban amateur system for goodness sake and had over 400 amateur fights but he'd never seen anything like Loma before and had no answer on how to deal with him. Many had Rigo ranked top 3 P4P at the time (Ward had him ranked #1 P4P) and were adamant he was going to destroy Loma but he barely even landed a glove on him. Just let that sink in for a minute.

Loma also toyed with another excellent fighter in Walters and made him quit in his corner.

Clenelo struggles badly against speed and cherrypicks plodders and shot or way past prime senior citizen hasbeens. Everytime he faces real speed and any B level or above athletic talent he either loses, loses and his judges bail him out, or he struggles badly. He's never dominated anyone above C level in terms of athletic talent and hand speed.

Floyd whooped him
Lara and Trout, who he should at best be 1-1 against, gave him hell
BJS 2.0 was holding his own and on the ascendancy prior to Clen's PED power bailing him out
Even little Khan boxed his ears off before getting clipped with that Clenbuterol bomb from hell. Rigo who is way better and more gifted than Khan barely landed a punch on Loma.

Think about it. Everyone else Clenelo has beaten were either plodders or well past their best, clearly faded or shot old men

Angulo
Yildirim
JCC Jr
Rocky From Stocky
Liam Smith
James Kirkland
Alfonso Gomez
Baldomir (shot)
Matthew Hatton
Josesito
Shot old Shane
Cintron
Ryan Rhodes (shot)
Way past it way smaller old Melon Head Miguel
N'dou
Old way past it GGG who was robbed twice against him

That's plodder and OAP Central

Who else is there?

Short camp Callum Smith who got his ass paddled in his previous fight by John Ryder
BJS 2.0 who looked like crap at 168
Rehydration clause Jacobs who looked like a reanimated corpse at the weigh in
Shot to hell still concussed drunk Kovalev whose power and chin were greatly diminished and who came within a whisker of suffering his third stoppage loss n his last six fights in his previous fight by a rank novice who'd never fought anyone remotely close to world class before


When Clen aka ''David'' fought shot Kovalev aka ''Goliath'' he would've been giving away a maximum of 2lbs in weight if any weight at all and 2'' in reach. Loma is routinely giving away a bare minimum of 7-8lbs in weight and between 2-6'' in reach up at 135. Hell, even down at 126 and 130 he was often giving up a significant amount of weight, reach or both. Clen rarely gives away weight, and certainly not a significant amount. And even worse that shell of Kovalev was boxing his ears off prior to his vodka tank ever so predictably running dry in the second half of the fight.

And Loma isn't weakening opponents with catchweights, by slapping rehydration clauses on them, and short camps and hasn't jacked himself with PEDs to help him bridge the gap as he's ascended through the weights like Clen and he doesn't have the judges in his pocket either, quite the opposite in fact. If Loma had Clen's judges he'd 100% be undefeated and if he was on Clen's PEDs he'd probably be unbeatable. But if Clen had Loma's judges he would never have made it anywhere near the P4P top 10.

Loma conceded only seven points when he won the gold medal at the 2009 World Amateur Championships despite the fact he broke his hand in the tournament. Just seven freaking points in the whole tournament. The vast majority of greats concede that amount in one fight.

'Even a broken hand couldn't stop Lomachenko as he won gold at the 2009 World Championships in Milan while compromised. In that tournament, he beat his five opponents by a 56 point margin, outscoring them 63–7.'

Defeated Mario Aleksić (Bosnia and Herzegovina) 16–2
Defeated Craig Evans (Wales) 15–1
Defeated Branimir Stanković (Serbia) 8–2
Defeated Oscar Valdez (Mexico) 12–1
Defeated Sergey Vodopyanov (Russia) 12–1

Yet again utterly toying with top fighters

Valdez is a two-weight world champion and Vodopyanov was no slouch because in addition to winning silver that year he had previously won gold at the World Amateur Championships too

At the following World Amateur Championships in 2011 he defeated

Jose Carlos Ramirez (USA)
Robson Conceicao (Brasil)
Fazliddin Gaibnazarov (Uzbekistan)
Domenico Valentino (Italy)
Yasniel Toledo (Cuba)

JCR was a highly decorated American amateur in addition to going on to become a two-belt unified world champ in the pros

Robson Conceicao is an Olympic gold medalist and a World Amateur Championships silver and bronze medalist and should be the current WBC 130 champ after whooping Valdez last week

Fazliddin Gaibnazarov is an Olympic gold medalist and World Amateur Championships silver medalist

Domenico Valentino is a World Amateur Championships gold, silver, and 3 x bronze medalist and a European silver and bronze medalist

Yasniel Toledo is World Amateur Championships 2 x silver medalist, 1 x bronze and an Olympic bronze medalist

The reason those fighters don't have more Olympic or World Amateur Championships gold, silver or bronze medals is because Loma is the one who beat them in some of their losses in those major championships

And that was up at lightweight where everyone was much naturally bigger than him


'Lomachenko won gold at the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing and avenged his 2007 World Championship defeat to rival and reigning world champion, Selimov, in the first round. He beat his five opponents by an astonishing 45 point margin, outscoring them 58–13, en route to his first gold medal at the senior level. He was subsequently named the outstanding boxer of the tournament and awarded the Val Barker Trophy. His dominant run was described by one historian as "probably the most impressive streak in Olympic boxing ever."

Additionally, he won gold again that year to also become continental champion at the European Championships in Liverpool, conceding just 4 points against his four opponents

Don't get me wrong, Clenelo is very good at beating slow plodders and shot or way past prime senior citizens whilst fighting on his obligatory stacked to high heaven stacked deck and being stacked to high heaven on PEDs and the only reason many have him ranked #1 P4P is because he has the judges in his pocket and therefore his losses are magically transformed into wins and because he's beaten more slow plodders and shot or way past prime senior citizens than anyone else. It's purely a numbers and corruption game with him. But you stick him in there against true athletic talents with genuine speed and he struggles or gets beat everytime.

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Serge destroys

 

Thanks.