***Joshua is mentally shot***

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IsaL, Sep 25, 2021.


Page 1 of 6
  1. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

    50,544
    18,231
    Oct 7, 2006
    Joshua is done. Ruiz ruined him.

    Despite beating Ruiz (way more out of shape and even fatter) in the rematch, I saw how nervous and afraid he to mix it up with him.

    Joshua will always be terrified of being KO. It happens to many fighters after getting KO. Only few comeback from KOs almost unscathed mentally.

    Today I saw Joshua give up because he was in a dog fight. He didn't get a beating, and he wasn't necessarily getting dominated, he just didn't want to get hit and chose to make it to the last round instead of trying to win.

    He may have to retire before he tarnishes his ok legacy even more.
     
    IsaL, Sep 25, 2021
    IsaL, Sep 25, 2021
    #1
    AdamT, DoubleJab666, miketysonko and 11 others like this.
  2. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,709
    4,398
    Dec 5, 2010
    Was he mentally strong to being with?

    I guess he survived the kd vs. Vladdo. Still, I think that was more us watching a shot ATG really try to churn out some slow left hooks and failing than a young ATG showing serious mettle and heart.
     
    Slyk, Sep 25, 2021
    Slyk, Sep 25, 2021
    #2
    ertwin, Pompey Junglist, Sean weir and 3 others like this.
  3. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

    50,544
    18,231
    Oct 7, 2006
    You have to give him the benefit of the doubt for overcoming adversity.

    But after losing to two small HWs, and looking like he quit in each of those fight I can confidently say he's done mentally.
     
    IsaL, Sep 25, 2021
    IsaL, Sep 25, 2021
    #3
    miketysonko, Bustajay and Pimp C like this.
  4. UFC2020

    UFC2020 Active Member Full Member

    1,031
    1,066
    Sep 15, 2019
    It was Wlad who ruined him. Before that AJ would go for the ko from round one
     
    UFC2020, Sep 25, 2021
    UFC2020, Sep 25, 2021
    #4
    Mickc, DoubleJab666, Sean weir and 3 others like this.
  5. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

    18,216
    14,030
    Jun 30, 2005
    Wlad remained gunshy his entire career after Sanders. This did not seem to stop him.

    Pity Steward isn't around anymore for Joshua.
     
    cross_trainer, Sep 25, 2021
    cross_trainer, Sep 25, 2021
    #5
    KiwiMan and Bustajay like this.
  6. UFC2020

    UFC2020 Active Member Full Member

    1,031
    1,066
    Sep 15, 2019
    Tbh a prime Wlad had faster legs than AJ and the discipline to religiously stick to the jab and grab style.
     
    UFC2020, Sep 25, 2021
    UFC2020, Sep 25, 2021
    #6
    velagod, Greg Price99, miketysonko and 1 other person like this.
  7. alpo1

    alpo1 Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,997
    3,636
    Dec 10, 2005
    He'll come back with the afro in the rematch and run away from usyk for 12 rounds with a matchroom fc jumbo sized ring
     
    alpo1, Sep 25, 2021
    alpo1, Sep 25, 2021
    #7
    velagod, miketysonko, destruction and 1 other person like this.
  8. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,709
    4,398
    Dec 5, 2010
    You're confusing the rebuilding of an ATG after losses due to bad strategy with something that could never happen with someone who never had "it" such as Joshua.

    Watch a 20 year old Vlad - he is the goods from day 1. Joshua has been a "work in progress" for a decade.
     
    Slyk, Sep 25, 2021
    Slyk, Sep 25, 2021
    #8
    NEETzschean, Mickc, WeThePeople and 1 other person like this.
  9. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

    18,216
    14,030
    Jun 30, 2005
    I'm not claiming that AJ is an all time great. I'm just saying that fighters can get -- and remain -- gunshy without it wiping out their chances at future success.

    Even John Ruiz pulled it off, of all people...
     
    cross_trainer, Sep 25, 2021
    cross_trainer, Sep 25, 2021
    #9
    Bustajay likes this.
  10. Carl Weathers

    Carl Weathers Member Full Member

    398
    405
    Nov 3, 2019
    This content is protected
     
    Carl Weathers, Sep 25, 2021
    Carl Weathers, Sep 25, 2021
    #10
    cross_trainer and IsaL like this.
  11. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

    122,905
    34,929
    Jun 23, 2005
    Wlad learned to use his size advantage after getting koed by Sanders. Love it or hate it he fought smart and to his strengths.
     
    Pimp C, Sep 25, 2021
    Pimp C, Sep 25, 2021
    #11
    gollumsluvslave, George Crowcroft, Lesion of Doom and 4 others like this.
  12. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

    18,216
    14,030
    Jun 30, 2005
    I agree. Great fighter; shame he's no longer around.
     
    cross_trainer, Sep 25, 2021
    cross_trainer, Sep 25, 2021
    #12
    Pimp C likes this.
  13. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

    70,957
    27,525
    Jul 26, 2004
    I didnt see the fight but frkm the round by round it sounded like Usyk did put the hurt on him, wobbled him multiple times, and Ive seen various people give AJ credit for pushing through and having a rally later on, until Usyk took it to the next gear.

    I'll have to see it myself though....

    Having an unorthodox, highly skilled fighter with a stamina advantage hitting you at will and setting a high pace while dissecting you can cause plenty of mental pressure... and can cause fighters to implode.

    I'll have to see for myself how AJ did mentally in that situation I guess.
     
    kirk, Sep 25, 2021
    kirk, Sep 25, 2021
    #13
    gollumsluvslave, Eastern Iron and Pimp C like this.
  14. UFC2020

    UFC2020 Active Member Full Member

    1,031
    1,066
    Sep 15, 2019
    You know things are bad when even Hatman dumps you
     
    UFC2020, Sep 25, 2021
    UFC2020, Sep 25, 2021
    #14
  15. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

    50,544
    18,231
    Oct 7, 2006
    It looked to me like Usyk was the more tired fighter. Joshua always looked fresher up until the last couple of rounds where both fighters looked like fatigue was setting in.

    One thing for sure is that despite Usyk looking like the older fighter he was busier, and taking more risks.

    Usyk really dug deep, while Joshua didn't.

    Usyk did land a few good punches that may have possibly made AJs knees buckle, for sure one time, but most of Usyk punches in the latter rounds were arm punches. AJ didn't do any better himself. AJ was content just tapping Usyk.

    AJ never really through any serious combinations. He was trying to use his height and reach to keep Usyk at bay, but Usyk was more mobile and quicker so that didn't work to well for AJ. Similar to the first Ruiz fight when AJ was trying to keep Ruiz away only for Ruiz to counter and find his way to the inside.

    AJ has a low ring IQ. I think he quit in both his losses.
     
    IsaL, Sep 25, 2021
    IsaL, Sep 25, 2021
    #15
Page 1 of 6