Let's give Joshua credit and finally appreciate him

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lordlosh, Sep 26, 2021.


  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yeah, AJ is much faster and lighter on his feet than virtually all of these other giants and that makes him one of the more difficult giants for Usyk to deal with and Usyk still dealt with him very comfortably.
     
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  2. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Lastly, cause i don't like losing my precious time with biased guys.

    We have two exactly identical situation.
    What did Fury did after he won the titles from Klitschko ??? Describe it with details.
    What did Joshua did after doing the same thing ?????
    I will help you, one of them do all in his power to face the very best in the division, unified against Parker, and tried all in his power to get the Wilder fight.
    You can tell us the Fury story lol. :D
     
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  3. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joshua did not had won titles from Wlad.
    He had fought vs 41 years old more than 1 year inactive beltless uncle Wlad = rich businessman.
    Just because Fury had other things to do after he had won bunch with belts from 39 y.o Wlad in Germany.
    Fury was inactive as boxer and therefore this happened.
     
  4. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yes he did won titles from Wlad fight. Joshua was just the IFB champion at that time, and the governing body placed IBF and WBA(super) title on the line. It was an unification fight.
    And yeah Joshua fought 41 years old Klitschko, but you are saying it, like Fury fight a 35 years old Klitschko. Klitschko was 39 years old and just 4 months from his 40 year anniversary.
    The inactive was because of who exactly? Yeah name it ! Exactly - Fury who ducked twice and act like a complete clown.

    Again the situation with Fury vs Klitschko and AJ vs Klitschko are 100% identical.
    One goes to unify the division and fight the best possible opponent infront of him, and what happen with Fury ???
    Again everyone who is unbiased can see that Klitschko was in better shape and way better motivated against AJ. I truly believe that this Klitschko would have won against Fury with not much effort.

    Again everyone have bad nights, but after the fight it's show. AJ was ready for the rematch, but Klitschko decide it to call it a day, and Fury run twice and go into Oblivion - facts.

    Let see if he will face Wilder on October.
     
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  5. miketysonko

    miketysonko Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Faster and lighter fighters are not a problem for Usyk, he is used to them being a cruiser after all. Usyk had more problems with Chisora, who used his weight more. Joshua just came in with a wrong gameplan. Anyways, Fury would cause all sort of problems for Usyk, I see Tyson via UD.
     
  6. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Werent he a giant he wouldnt have won **** in boxing. Skillwise he is pure mediocrity, he had all the freaking advantages to win that fight and he couldnt because he's a mediocre fighter. Credit? sure, as the unskilled boxer he is.

    With his boxing skills, his ring IQ, his chin and his heart, were he a welterweight you wouldnt know even his name.
     
  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I mean of the faster and lighter giant SHWs

    Fury will be difficult but Usyk's speed, IQ, agility and skills will cause him serious problems too
     
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  8. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Very fair analysis that,the aura of Joshua is gone. The Ruiz loss could be put down as a one off and he just got caught and never recovered,however the manner in which he lost to Usyk was a clinical boxing lesson that everybody saw he had no answer to and to make it worse Usyk even said his corner told him not to stop him ! Joshua has always been a better “brand” than a fighter and was never going to live up to the hype that Matchroom put on him and also the no doubt massive pressure this also placed on his shoulders. Joshua is without a doubt the most marketable fighter in the division but even he needs to pick his next fights carefully as anymore losses will no doubt also have an effect there as well .
     
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  9. miketysonko

    miketysonko Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Definitely, but I still favour Fury
     
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  10. kirk

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    Out of the current top 10 in the division, AJ has fought 4 of them.

    Wilder has fought 2.

    Fury has fought a whopping 1.

    I cant imagine the outrageous hate AJ would get on this forum if he had Furys career. Outside of possibly Wilder, AJ would likely still have a nice little polished 0 if he took on a typical Fury opponent time in and time out.

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    People mock his chin and then dont give him credit for always fighting through getting rocked. People mock his stamina and then dont give him credit for fighting through his fatigue.

    They think facial expressions, fatigue and unable to conceal his disappointment in fights means more than fighting through knockdowns, fighting through getting rocked, and fighting through broken orbital bones.

    The disrespect AJ gets is despicable.
     
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  11. miketysonko

    miketysonko Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chin: C
    Stamina: B-
    Power: B+
    IQ: C
    Resume: B-
    Self confidence: D
    Body: A
    Hype: A+

    Overall: B- / great boxer, but not an elite.
     
  12. kirk

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    Being elite or not doesnt even enter the discussion though to me. Hes not elite, so what. He doesnt warrant half the hate he gets on here, especially, especially in contrast to his peers.
     
  13. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Klitschko in Joshua fight was way better than the one in Fury fight LOL. Fury out smarted Wlad using a game plan that was very effective but not fan friendly. Fury was in front from the first bell,was never behind,and beat him comfortably even with the point off in a rather boring fight.Joshua does not posses the smarts,movement or ring iq that Fury does and so Wlad was able to get to Joshua and the fight went back and forth in a more exciting fight until Joshua eventually prevailed. Some people also say that Wlad under estimated Fury,but fitting extra illegal padding to the ring floor to slow Fury’s movement shows that Wlad did anything but under estimate him ! As for Fury’s best fight I’d say it was the first Wilder fight,coming back from mental health issues,substance abuse and massive weight loss,getting knocked down twice and remarkably beating the count in the final round only to get robbed on the cards should have been Fury’s biggest win . A fitter/sharper Fury put this wrong right in the rematch taking the fight to Wilder and giving him a beat down,but full respect to Wilder as he never quit and was going to go out on his shield until Breland threw the towel in .
     
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  14. miketysonko

    miketysonko Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He gets the hate, because he thinks he is the best thing since sliced bread. He is a manufactured bodybuilder, Hearns' puppy. Are you from the UK by any chance?! Most fans over here are happy that AJ lost, me included.

    Tyson Fury is the People's Champ over here.
     
  15. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    When a fighter is severely hyped, and he loses, this is what will happen.

    Even after losing to Ruiz people were saying it was a fluke, something like Lewis-Rahman, but in the rematch against a slower, out of shape version of Ruiz he fought so timid. I knew AJ was a top fighter but didn't buy the hype.

    The greater the hype the greater the fall.
     
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