Classic Forum Chat: Size isn't the only factor.

Douglas has nothing to do with it. Tucker had beaten Broad and....

Show me the cherrypicks where the guy picking is the underdog. It simply doesn't happen.

 

What evidence do we have of what determines chin in the first place? We have a dearth of medical science cited on concussions and the factors going into concussion resistance on this forum.

 

Why do you say Douglas had nothing to do with it? Tucker beat Douglas a month before Spinks fought Cooney. Tucker was ranked number 3 Cooney was unranked , choosing Cooney over Tucker isnt a cherry pick but it was definitely the softer option.Especially as Cooney had not fought in over a year and had only 3 fights in the previous 5 years! I'm not sure why you are determined to get your teeth into this one.Tucker was ranked in the top 3 and unbeaten Cooney was not only unranked he had beaten nobody and had been inactive.If Tucker had got the fight with Spinks he would have been favourite too and a much more dangerous fight for Spinks.I can't see how that is even arguable

 

I think it was 15 days between the fights. Do you mean to say that Spinks hadn't signed with Cooney by then? Two weeks before their fight?

 

Do you mean to say Spinks wasnt notified by the IBF that he had to fight Tucker or lose his standing long before that 15 days? Spinks made a hell of a lot more from the Cooney fight there was the race angle for one thing,but the other deciding factor was he was less dangerous option.After defending against Holmes which ranked contender did Spinks fight? He didn't ,he fought patsy Tangstad,and by passed deserving challengers, and that's precisely what he did when he ignored no3 Tucker and fought unranked Cooney.

 

I will respectfully disagree with part of this, Douglas wasnt groomed in the professional ranks like Bowe, he was matched like an opponent not a prospect. In his 5th fight he's matched with the amateur hyped David Bey, hes put in with Tangstad pretty early, he fights Cobb on short notice, he's the rebound opponent for Page just after Page lost his WBA title.

 

Tucker had not yet fought Douglas when he was mandatory to fight Spinks for the IBF title.

Tucker fought Douglas in place of Spinks for the vacated IBF strap.

So Tucker had nothing really going for him as any kind of challenger. He was barely fringe at that time.

 

I agree Tucker had nothing much going for him either and that both Douglas and Tucker were plucked from obscurity to contest for the vacant IBF title.

Bowe was higher profile, but he had beaten a lot of dead bodies before meeting Holyfield…but he made the grade. There’s no dispute there.

like the way Bowe rolled Tubbs? Listen, beating Holyfield was a great win for Bowe, but let’s not imagine his wins previous to this were all competitive fights that he made easy work of.

Thomas Cooper and Biggs were hand picked and far further down the hill than Cobb or Page were when Douglas beat them.

Well going against Tyson Douglas had beaten Mike Williams (and looked better than Witherspoon had getting a SD over him) and he had beaten Oliver McCall and Trevor Berbick to earn that shot against Tyson. That’s hardly a gift run is it?

Neither was given a gift shot. I happen to think both were hardly seen as logical challengers based on their recent wins. Bowe was hyped and considered a future champion. That was really the only difference. Based on who they fought going into these title fights there wasn’t much there.

we can agree on that.

we can agree on that.

 

Tucker was Ring ranked number 3 .

 

No proof of that whatsoever

I'm not convinced about that weight, but either way, that has no relevance whatsoever.

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. Tyson didn't need steroids to get big. He said he used a fake willy to pass drugs tests, meaning

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that he had in his system.
https://brobible.com/sports/article/mike-tyson-drug-test/

First of all, Ribalta was not chinny, but that's besides the point. I just gave you that example to show that Tyson had no problem going the distance, as long as he was training properly.

That's irrelevant. The fact is he could go the distance if needed.

Although past his best, Holmes was still a great boxer. He managed to last the distance against a prime Holyfield in 92 and against McCall in 95 (a fight he almost won, despite being 45 at the time), yet only went 4 rounds against Tyson.

Holyfield was no cruiser when he fought Tyson. He was roided to the gills, bigger than ever, taller than Tyson and almost the same weight.
And he had no heart problems. Those heart problems appeared after Holyfield fought Moorer, and they were a direct result of steroid abuse, as was his hair loss.

That is a bull**** unsubstantiated myth that has no foundation to lay upon, except for his fights when he was no longer the same boxer.
Plenty were not afraid against Tyson is his prime either, he still beat them.

 

Only once he beat Douglas. Not before it.

Before the Douglas match Tucker was just some prospect looking for his first competitive fight.

without Spinks being stripped, Douglas Vs Tucker would have been a NABF bout.

 

Want to change the sibject since the discussion isn't going to well for you?

The question was what wins Tucker had when Spinks decided to fight Cooney instead. And since Tucker's win over Douglas came only 15 days before Spinks faced Cooney that win clearly wasn't one of them. So it couldn't have factored into Spink's decision to face Cooney instead. When Spinks made that decision, Tucker's best win was Broad. Hardly something to make Spinks tremble. He choose Cooney for the money, not because Tucker was such a scary prospect to face. Still a duck, mind you, but just some context.

 

Absolutely.
Cooney was easy picking s for Spinks. He'd hardly been in the ring since the Holmes Ko. He was a fragile guy in there.
Now if Spinks really wanted to look the best, he'd have faced Tucker, instead of meeting the great white hope.
Spinks and his team were not daft, they played it great.
Beats Holmes, in my eyes first fight legit.
Second fight, I d say Larry knicked it and should have got the win.
Beats very beatable Tangstad.
Gets a quite easy win over Cooney.
Finally, after getting paid a stupid amount, he meets the real champ.
Game over in 90something seconds!

 

Was Tucker the IBF number 1?

 

I guess so since he was mandatory.