Classic Forum Chat: Size isn't the only factor.

You're taking the **** right? Or are you a bit crazy?

 

Tell me when Spinks decided to face Cooney instead of Tucker , what was the date? You have to know this to be so categorically positive.

Spinks was stripped of the [url]IBF[/url] heavyweight title in February of 1987 for refusing to fight [url]Tony Tucker[/url].
Spinks did not fight Cooney until June of that year.

 

This, among others:

"Now you're just trolling. For the third and final time from me and perhaps sixth time in total: he hadn't beaten Douglas when Spinks decided to face Cooney.

Get a grip. You're making a fool out of yourself."

 

You don't have to no know the exact date to know it was more than two weeks before he fought him, ffs. Have you no dignity, no limit to how dumb you're going to pretend to be just not to concede a point?

I'm done with you.

 

Mathis was also a gate keeper.

 

A more skilled gatekeeper. And Ali had 0 difficulty with him as he should

 

To be so certain of your opinion I think you do.I haven't used abusive language towards you ,why are you resorting to it.? Why can't you concede that purse money aside , number 3 ranked Tucker was a more credible opponent than unranked Cooney?

 

Remember Tucker beat Broad who had beaten Gregg.

 

Sorry I've offended you ,you said I failed to reply to your questions I asked which ones? I've asked you for a date and received just abuse ,so yes, it's best if we don't interact if its going to upset you so.

 

Here is an interesting twist.

Bob Arum has offered Anthony Joshua step aside money, to allow Fury Usky to take place.

Joshua would get the first shot at the winner as part of the deal.

Personally I hope that Joshua takes the offer.

 

Thats right. Broad beat Greg who then rebounded by beating higher placed Tex Cobb. Meanwhile Broad was knocked out by Tim Witherspoon, fell further down the rankings, and then lost on points to Tony Tucker falling even further.

whereas Greg remained unbeaten after the Cobb win going into the Cooney fight.


So as you see, 24-1 Greg and 32-0 Tucker were at a similar level around the time Gregg beat Cobb and Tucker beat Broad.

 

Just wanted to answer this. During the postfight for Tyson-Berbick, Larry Merchant asked Butch Lewis about the "rumor" that Spinks and Cooney had already signed a contract to fight.

Butch Lewis said the contract with HBO allowed them to do so.

Of course, Merchant already knew they'd signed to fight, but he didn't want to say that because it hadn't been announced and HBO was threatening the IBF to force Spinks to fight someone who would agree to participate in the tournament.

So, in the fall of 1986, Spinks and Cooney already agreed to fight.

They didn't fight until June 87, because everyone took them to court.

The IBF was going to allow Spinks to defend against Cooney. The IBF rated Cooney around #8. But Cooney didn't want to enter the HBO tournament, which was the problem.

HBO was going to sue the IBF, Spinks and everyone else if Cooney won the IBF belt and then didn't participate in the tournament.

Like what is mentioned by Merchant in the interview, the IBF had never enforced or had a mandatory before. They'd never forced Holmes to fight anyone. (That's how they got Holmes to accept their belt.)

But HBO had signed contracts with Lewis and the IBF (and the other orgs) to participate until the tournament was over, and if Cooney won he said he wouldn't participate.

To keep HBO (which was the unquestioned powerhouse broadcaster of boxing at that time) happy, the IBF stripped Spinks and provided a new champ for them to finish their tournament three months before it was set to conclude.

Interview with Merchant and Lewis starts around 54 minutes 30 seconds.

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I have no problem with any of this at all. It's spot on. It's just one part of it however and it also didn't destroy or damage him as a fighter nor take away his chances to fight for the title. As a matter of fact being matched with Page even in an opponent capacity actually put him on the map and led to the title shot.

Bey was rough but he rebounded nicely in the long haul. In the end even with fluctuating dedication he got his chances and ended up the best most complete fighter he ever was against Tyson. He had the world at his feet but he just didn't want it enough, particularly after the money, the title, and the fame that came with the Tyson win.

So in conclusion the only difference between him and Bowe wasn't just matchmaking/backing wasn't the main difference between them. Matchmaking/backing did not hold Douglas back at all. He held himself back. Bowe did too but to a far lesser extent as he had a solid period and beat Holyfield x 2 or 3 depending who you listen to and how you score. Perhaps Bowe was simply the better fighter as well. Douglas is very short on top end wins.

I do realize that as a whole wasn't the actual part you were critiquing.

 

Edit - was already answered.

They were setting the fight up as early as the start of December 86 or even earlier. They aimed for March in MSG but politics and stuff let to a later fight at a different arena i believe.

[url]https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-12-03-sp-391-story.html[/url]

 

That would be by far the best for boxing. Joshua may not take it as he will be a far lesser draw than if he "potentially" wins a rematch.

You know what i would love. The winner of Fury - Wilder fights Usyk and the loser fights Joshua. The problem would be if Wilder lost badly and then beat Joshua no-one would want to see another installment.