Classic Forum Chat: Size isn't the only factor.

Where were both Broad and Cobb placed exactly?

 

Outside the lower weight classes is correct. Elite little guys are a 100x better.

 

I'm admittedly not following the debate, but yes I agree the language of Bokaj towards you is extremely inappropriate, uncalled for, and out of character. Very disappointed. I expected much better from him. Looks like I'll have to steer clear of him moving forward.

 

^^^ ha ha .. you're in the dog house .. so am I .. Thats why I hang out in the Lounge ,, there is a lot more action over there anyway

 

I think the bigger problem Swag , and this isn't a go at anyone, is that with so many multiple usernames running around (banned and or other) some people simply don't know who is who anymore particularly is a username has been inactive for a period of 2 years.

So someone could have built up a certain degree of respect over time but now that's all out the window because some will not realize this. It's compounded by the sheer amount of know nothing trolls and rude posters that have appeared out of no-where here of late.

Now you and i know who is who and others have noted this as well but poor old Bokaj is totally in the dark and posting as such. As a matter of fact he thinks it may be none other than Mendoza which i have to admit is pretty funny in a very ironic way

We've all had our rude aggressive posts toward others, you and i certainly. Personally i wouldn't be crucifying Boke on this one.

 

I think you should follow the debate before you make such a judgement. Don't have patience for such trolling or whatever it was, but have no fear of me reacting like that toward you.

With your post I do think you've given credibility to a certain way of arguing that's aboutt totally ignoring the others argument and using strawmen just no to concede anything. That's abusing the idea with this forum and wasting people's time. After a while I stop being polite when someone does this, with my time at least.

 

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We have missed you dearly Mendoza

 

No.Gregg beat Cobb in May 1985 Cobb had lost his last 2 fights and was unranked, [one of those losses was to Douglas btw,] Cobb hadn't been ranked since 1982 when he was number 9. Gregg only had 2 more fights before facing Cooney his opponents records were 16-9-2 and 20-18-0. so its not surprising he beat them is it? I think Broad might have managed to beat them too ,his own losses in t at time scale ,85-87 were were to ranked heavyweights Witherspoon,Tucker,Damiani,and Page ,3 out of that 4 held versions of the title at some point ,significantly better opponents than two nondescript journeymen.

 

That is not true. Cobb fought Dokes for the WBC continental America’s title and in order to contest he would have been rated by the WBC at that time. It was a Nationally televised fight over 12 rounds and was a split technical decision loss that went to the scorecards after a cut to Dokes that would not have had Cobb fall in the ranks at all. Cobb was seen as unlucky. In reward for the debacle that was the Dokes bout, The Cobb v Gregg fight was billed as an eliminator to meet Tubbs for the WBA title. Another Nationally televised bout. Such was the governing body nonsense at that time.

that’s right. And that’s why he was well regarded going into the Cooney fight. Greggs resume was comparable to Tuckers at this point. Both Tucker and Gregg were nondescript prospects together.

That is correct. After beating Cobb, Gregg remained undefeated. He surpassed James Broad by then who was losing fights.

 

I'm referring to the Ring ratings not the silly alphabet ones where cash gets you a ranking.Cobb was not ranked by Ring after 1981 and then he only crept in at number 9.You can bill a fight as what you like and the spurious organizations do it all the time ,eg interim champ,.champion, in recess,silver champ,continental champ is just about money and mismatches occur all the time because champs are forced to fight these absurd mandatories.Callum Smith's recent outing emphatically highlighted that and its inevitable some one will get killed ,or permanently disabled with this venal pursuit of moolah.
Gregg only had 4 fights after beating unranked Cobb.Broad was fighting class opponents Gregg was losing to unranked ones.

 

You need to take this up with everyone who thought Tucker and Gregg were really of a similar level in 1986.

Gregg had lost just once.

 

overall, Douglas has some very good wins actually. And they compare very well with Bowes best wins.

Douglas best win is Tyson. Bowes best win is Holyfield.
Tex Cobb, Greg page, Mike Williams, Trevor Berbick and Oliver McCall is quite a good list. Especially when you look where these guys were at that time. Most were expected to beat Douglas. Cobb and Page both fresh from title form. Williams had held his own against Witherspoon and was the one being groomed rather than Douglas. Crazy old Berbick was still tough and awkward, he would not lose for another 5 years afterwards.

I think you can put those guys against the next best guys Bowe beat. Were Bruce seldon, Pierre Coetzer, Larry Donald and Herbie Hide guaranteed wins over the version of Page, Cobb, McCall and Berbick that Douglas beat? I don’t think so. I think it is pretty level.

sure Douglas should not have lost against Mike white. There was less shame losing to a 11-0 Jesse Fergusson in a decision that could have went either way. The 8 round draw with 13-0 Tangstad was due to points taken off Buster as well.

Tucker was the kind of fighter Bowe never met. A test against another unbeaten prospect the same size as he was. So while that is a loss where Douglas let himself down, there is no comparable opponent for Bowe here because he was not meeting an unbeaten guy the same size as he was around the time he came into championship level.

Yet There are lazy fights like Bowe had with Tubbs that some think could have went another way.

I don’t think I am missing much here. I haven’t mentioned fights Bowe had with Tyrell Biggs, Pinklon Thomas, Dokes or Ferguson because they were all dead bodies by then or men like mathis jnr and Bert Cooper who were chosen to lose and never expected to win.

If you list the competitively matched bouts I don’t think there is a lot of difference.

 

Tucker was a highly regarded am. Gregg wasn’t on that level, but Cooney was in a sense of hindsight.

 

We have amicably resolved our temporary hiccup and are fine.