Is avenging a loss in a rematch not enough on it's own?

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  1. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    so a fighter gets dominated in fight I then decides I’m just going to run away in fight II and you out more stock on him running trying not to engage over him getting his ass beat… makes sense I was trolling my first post but the more you reply the more it fits.. you like fighter A so as long as fighter A wins no matter how he wins that’s good enough. That’s cool not my perspective but to each there own.
     
  2. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Mark Ant has serious competition here
     
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  3. testez

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    You are saying that Ruiz did not earned a third fight based solely on his performance in the ring in the second fight.
    Based on the same logic, what has AJ done in the first fight to earn a rematch ?
     
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  4. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    AJ and Usyk AGREED to a rematch clause.

    AJ and Usyk are two top fighters with a list to good opponents on their resume. A rematch would still be huge. Ruiz vs AJ 3 wouldn't really. No one wants to see that fight.

    Andy Ruiz could have trained hard and made the rematch a lot closer, but he showed no heart, commitment or desire whatsoever.

    AJ and Usyk are serious fighters, Ruiz was, but isn't really anymore. Ruiz has to prove himself and earn a rematch.

    He doesn't deserve it as a boxer or a man yet.
     
  5. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No one except AJ fanboys want to see a rematch against Usyk.
     
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  6. cuchulain

    cuchulain VIP Member Full Member

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    Having made three threads in a month or so on this same topic with the same fighters in mind, is it possible you are a tad obsessed here ?

    Especially since there hasn't been any clamour , not even from Ruiz, for a third fight.


    Your responses to @acie2g were, to say the least, lame.


    And what are we to make of this little nugget ?

    "He doesn't deserve it as a boxer or a man yet."
     
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  7. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    To me, avenging a loss in a dominating fashion "should" absolutely be enough to ever bring up the original loss again. Unfortunately the reality is, far too often that loss will still be brought up and brought up.

    For instance: Cotto beating on Margarito and re-destroying that eye in their rematch should've quieted everything about the first fight. However people still only focus on that first fight, almost to the point you'd forget they even had a rematch smh............
     
  8. N17

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    It all depends on the manner of victory in the rematch.

    Example, Lennox Lewis Vs Rahman, Lewis got caught with a huge shot in the first fight, in round 5.. it was a huge upset and a shock.

    In the rematch, Lewis knocked out Rahman in spectacular fashion in 4 rounds, he got revenge quicker, he put a full stop on any arguments, he turned up raring to go and let people know it was a blip.


    Now let's take AJ vs Ruiz, Ruiz got off the floor and dropped AJ 4 times in the first fight, it was a humiliating defeat on AJs American debut.. again a huge shock, not many gave Ruiz a chance.

    Now, Ruiz turns up to the rematch morbidly obese, he was eating snickers bars on the way to the ring, NOT AJs FAULT, I DONT BLAME AJ FOR RUIZ TURNING UP IN THAT CONDITION.

    Anyway, AJ doesn't stamp his authority on the rematch, he doesn't go after Ruiz and blitz him, he doesn't even attempt to put Ruiz in his place.

    AJ moves around, jabs, circles the ring and wins on points well, clear cut, not even remotely close but it leaves a lot of questions like

    What if Ruiz actually trained? because he didn't take it to Ruiz.. AJs chin brittle? Should there be a third fight? Would a fit and trained Ruiz be able to deal with AJs movement?





    So I think it all depends on the manner of victory and the circumstances of the rematch and how it leaves boxing fans feeling.
     
  9. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Or a man yet?

    Are you for real????

    Whilst i dont really care much for a trilogy between AJ and Ruiz, id watch it

    Its 1 a piece and Andy actually has the more impressive victory

    As a man, jeez stop
     
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  10. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    What?
     
  11. N17

    N17 VIP Member Full Member

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    :lol:

    Maybe it's something to do with pronouns or something... I genuinely had no idea what that meant.
     
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  12. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Whatever it is, its bollocks
     
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  13. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Who are you to judge him as a man?

    And since when was that criteria for a title shot?
     
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  14. N17

    N17 VIP Member Full Member

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    Yeah :lol:


    The rematch isn't until March next year at the earliest, I think we are going to have months of this.. it's getting worse by the day.

    By this time next week the narrative being spun will be "I've watched in slow motion... AJ was robbed on the cards"
     
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  15. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    As a man - After he won the title, he partied all the time, didn't train property, gained about 20lbs of fat, and didn't take the rematch seriously at all, and then at the end of the fight said "who's up for round 3 everyone".

    He hasn't done enough to earn a rematch. He's not a mandatory and has to prove himself worth everyone's time.

    No one wants to ****ing see AJ vs Ruiz 3. Ruiz needs to prove he's still a threat and he certainly didn't do that vs Arreola.