How many Bobby Fitz's could Foreman take in a row?

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  1. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you aware that Wilder swinging around without any caution wouldn't catch Canelo with anything big. Canelo is a good technical fighter, he wouldn't get hit in the first thrown punch.

    No doubt that Wilder would stop Canelo, but I think people don't understand what makes fighting bigger fighter so tough. It's about the fatigue in fighting someone much bigger, it's not true that Wilder would stop any MW with the first punch thrown.

    Fitzsimmons certainly could stop anyone when he'd connect.

    Foreman was very tired in his actual circus act and he fought much worse fighters than Fitzsimmons. I don't see him surviving 5th Fitzsimmons, let alone 20th.
     
  2. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have found a B Fitz who was 0-1 with a third-round KO loss to a young Tom Sharkey in his only bout.

    From this I conclude Foreman could stop infinity B Fitz’s in a row and would still be knocking him out today if they were on a perpetual loop dating back to Toronto.
     
  3. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder doesn't need to catch Canelo flush. He can hit any part of Canelo's body and do damage. Even if he hits Canelo's guard/ arms, he does a lot of damage.

    There's no MW in history that can withstand a punch thrown by Wilder with everything he's got.

    No he could not, especially not a HW like Foreman. He'd need several good punches on a tired Foreman.

    I don't remember exactly who Foreman fought that night, but if they were pro HWs, then they were definitely a tougher match than Fitzsimmons would be. Foreman takes him out with the first big punch he lands.
     
  4. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It seems that you don't know how boxing works. Have you ever seen small fighter against big and powerful HW? James Toney for example? Would Wilder also kill him with one punch?
     
  5. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Toney was bigger and stronger than Canelo. He weighed 217 lb vs Holyfield. Sure, you can say that those 217 lbs also contained fat, but even if we discount say 20 lbs of fat, he's still left with close to 200 lbs of muscle and bone tissue. That's still around 30 lbs more than Canelo.
     
  6. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    He had a lot more than 20Ibs of fat. :lol:
     
  7. 70sFan865

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    So you think that 217 lbs Toney would last more than 1-2 rounds against Wilder, but 160 lbs Toney wouldn't?
     
  8. mr. magoo

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    George Foreman beats Bob Fitzsimmons in a single head to head match. But to suggest that Foreman could go all night beating fresh clones of Fitz to no end is ludicrous. Bob Fitzsimmons was an exceptionally skilled, courageous and hardened man.
     
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  9. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe Foreman loses to the first Fitz's.
     
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  10. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't know exactly how many rounds 217 Toney would last, but he would certainly have more chances than 160 lbs Toney.
     
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  11. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Smaller Toney wad better defensively and had better stamina though.
     
  12. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Toney didn't agree with you about the ultimate value of weight, IMO, since he bulked up. As did Chris Byrd and Roy Jones.

    They might all have been deluded about the value of weight, or mistaken. But they were the guys in the ring.
     
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  13. 70sFan865

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    I'm not saying that the weight didn't help Toney, but believing that smaller Toney would be stopped in 1-2 rounds while bigger one would be competitive is odd opinion.

    Additional weight certainly helped him absorbing some power, but let's be honest - small Toney wouldn't be stopped in one round by Wilder. He was way too crafty for that. More muscles helped him sustaining long term beating, it didn't turn him into superhuman.
     
  14. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Fair enough. We haven't seen any 160 pounders competing with heavyweights for nearly a century, though.
     
  15. White Bomber

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    But he wasn't as capable at withstanding punches. The added weight (including the fat) certainly helped him in that regard.
    Plus, stamina won't make that much of difference here, since he's gonna loose anyway.