Otto Wallin will school Dillian Whyte

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  1. NEETzschean

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    Chisora is one frame of reference for this bout. Fury schooled, dominated and retired Chisora in 10 back in 2014, whereas Whyte went life and death with Chisora in 2016 and 2018, with both of these fights hinging on controversial officiating. Wallin did vastly better than Chisora against Fury and was doing better even before the cuts (which may not have helped Wallin much on net because he targeted them excessively instead of boxing) though Fury underestimated Wallin, thinking he was another Tom Schwarz and also came in overtrained/underweight, while Wallin may have been especially motivated due to the recent death of his father. However, Wallin had only fought 1 round over almost 18 months when he fought Fury, whereas Wallin fought 12 rounds 8 months ago and has fought 28 full rounds in the last 2 years. Wallin will be virtually 31 when he faces Whyte and is considerably more experienced, confident and very likely more skilled than he was pre-Fury, with 12 rounds against Fury (losing anything between 10-2 and 7-5) stopping an old, injury prone Kauffman in 5 and schooling an inactive Breazeale 10-2 with 232 punches landed to 91.

    Another frame of reference is the stationary tower Breazeale, who AJ dominated 166-38 in punches landed and stopped in 7 rounds. AJ also took Whyte out in 7 but Whyte hurt AJ badly in the 2nd and won 2 rounds. Whyte is 33.5 now which isn't too old by any means but he's picked up a lot of wear and tear and his chin hasn't been tested since Povetkin 1 14 months ago, when Whyte got brutally KO'd in 5 with one punch in his own backyard. Whyte hasn't faced a live opponent for over 2 years since bridgerweight Rivas in Britain, which was a highly competitive war and he’s only completed 17 full rounds in the last two years. Home/A-side advantage is important to bear in mind: refereeing, judging, crowd, drug testing, ring size, canvas density etc. will all favour Whyte and Hearn will be desperate for Whyte to win to pump up AJ's failing resume, put Matchroom back on course and strengthen Whyte’s WBC mandatory claim. I'm sure there will be a rematch clause if Whyte is defeated, though if Whyte loses to Wallin just two fights removed from his defeat to a shot 41 year old Povetkin, it may well be game over for him: there is far more pressure on Whyte to win than Wallin, with the latter having little to lose and much to gain. There is also far less film of Wallin to study. Some claim that Whyte struggles with taller heavyweights which would disadvantage him against Wallin but I'm not sure if this is the case because Whyte struggles with any heavyweight of any decent quality. Whyte took this fight because of the backlash he received for his cowardly propositions of fighting glorified bum Jermaine Franklin or 40.5 year old Arreola coming off consecutive losses, as well as the belief that Wallin isn't a dangerous puncher and the fact that he gave Fury a very tough fight, so a decisive win over Wallin would help to build a title fight with Fury. It's also likely that Whyte has underestimated Wallin, who was chasing Ortiz before he got the Whyte call.

    Wallin is at least two inches taller, is the better athlete, has superior amateur pedigree, has a better chin, has the better corner, is more intelligent, more grounded, more disciplined, more focused, more motivated (less money, less fame, less success) younger, has far less wear and tear, fewer defeats, never been KO’d or KD’d as a pro (Whyte x2 and x4) and southpaw advantage (Whyte fought one low level southpaw journeyman 7 years ago, has never fought a southpaw of any note and only has 4.5-6 weeks to prepare for a good southpaw in Wallin). Both have sparred extensively, are skilled boxers, rough and mentally tough. Whyte has slightly more pro experience, is the bigger puncher (though Whyte may well underestimate Wallin’s power) and has home/A-side advantages. Whyte will want to make a statement to Fury by stopping Wallin but this could play into Wallin’s hands. It’s a real banana skin fight for Whyte, especially since Whyte-conqueror AJ recently lost at home conclusively to European southpaw cruiserweight Usyk, which has piled the pressure on a less confident Whyte and will give European southpaw Wallin even more belief. I believe that Whyte has small man’s syndrome at HW, is very belligerent, easy to aggravate, unintelligent, has an inherent dislike of Wallin and will not want to be thought a coward by mimicking AJ’s tentative performance against Usyk, so he is likely to be very aggressive against Wallin from early on. I favour Wallin to get the better of Whyte and possibly stop him, though he will find it hard to get the decision in Britain, especially after the rout we saw on September 25th.
     
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  3. NEETzschean

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    Whyte's best wins are Chisora x2, Parker and Rivas, all at home with A-side advantages and all of these fights hinged on controversial officiating (judging, refereeing, drug testing or some combination thereof). He's been chinned in 7 by AJ and in 5 by a shot 41 year old Povetkin.

    Hearn does an excellent job in hyping up his heavyweights but when they are thrown in with quality operators they will be exposed and the record suggests that Wallin is Whyte's strongest opponent since AJ.
     
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    I dont think Wallin is playing around and hearns stable seems to be a bit overated.
     
  5. Sap1en

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    Wallin pushes him punches too much and I can see Whyte getting away with too much body work. If it comes down to who is the better athlete or fighter Wallin wins but I just think that Whyte is dirty enough to catch him.
     
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    Wallin is extremely dirty himself: he's not a p*ssy like paint dry Parker, who would have beaten Whyte had he not lacked tenacity and been headbutt KD'd.
     
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    Wallin is a street fighting man for sure. Knows his dirty boxing but I can't see B sample giving him the room to work with a home referee. Wallin wins with an impartial referee due to genetic superiority.
     
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    Also don't forget the unpunished legsweep vs Parker. He couldn't do that vs Povetkin 1 as he is a shithouse and knows a fellow kickboxer like Povetkin would murder him and his family with no problems.
     
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    Parker could have fouled Whyte to some degree without being deducted points to show he wouldn't be bullied but he didn't. You're right that the result of this fight could easily depend on corruption but if the ability gap is big enough, it's hard to rig. For me, Wallin is significantly better than Chisora and paint dry.
     
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    I believe Parker has legitimate links to organised crime but still was reluctant to engage in dirty tactics and was bullied. The referee didn't help him none as did Chisora's last 4 opponents who were put to the mercy or repeated infractions.
     
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    The guy clearly has no shortage of ambition.

    He wasn't even slightly respectful of or awed by Fury when the first bell rang at T-Mobile in Vegas, and that was a driving factor in how well he was able to do. He got straight into Tyson from the early going, didn't buy into any of his monkeyshine, busted him open and then cynically raked the cut when given the opportunity later on (no thought for the optics, 'do what you have to do to win' mentality). And he stood up to the pressure and was never discouraged when Fury put it on him in the second half of the fight, sucking up some hefty whacks to the body, and still had enough left in him to finish the fight with a big round, so he seems to have the requisite grit and toughness if things get choppy. Bear in mind, also, that he's been thirsty for a rematch ever since.

    Given his attitude to the Fury fight, there's no reason he should be respectful of or awed by Dillian friggin' Whyte when the first bell rings at the O2 in London. He won't be coming to make up the numbers.

    There's a healthy pride teetering on the edge of arrogance about Otto. I like the guy. Suicidal Sweden could use more like him.
     
  12. Slyk

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    Dillian Whyte is overrated as hell by the propaganda machine, mostly as a means of boosting Joshua. I'm not overly impressed by Wallin, but he's a solid technician and a tall southpaw which can't be underestimated. I definitely don't expect an easy night for either guy. Wouldn't be shocked at Whyte losing at all.
     
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    I slightly favor Whyte, one reason being these Brits like and have the home field advantage so often.

    But wouldn't surprise me if Wallin gets a decision. Who has Whyte comfortably beaten that has a pulse and is a top HW? Rivas 2+ years ago? With a fair ref he likely would've lost to Parker.
     
  14. NEETzschean

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    If you look up his girlfriend you will find he's a typical Swede, at least in that respect. Maybe there's something perverse going on there lol
     
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  15. Caliboxing

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    I agree with Wallin schooling Whyte. I hope Wallin trained for endurance and with a strategy start dtrong & to keep the heat on Whyte later in the fight. I think Wallin has a good enough chin and has been the full 12 rounds a few times, so I see him getting a decision or even a stoppage later on.
     
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