What boxing style would be the worst for Oleksandr Usyk

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  1. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Ali didn't even have faster reflexes than 6'8, 270 lbs Fury according to Andre Ward on a HBO program, there's no chance he's as fast as Usyk and Ali was a club fighter skillwise in comparison, as well as not being a southpaw. Prime Thaison couldn't knock out half a dozen journeymen and fringe contenders, some of them chinny and he would seriously slow down after a few rounds, Usyk would piece him up.

    Usyk is the best man of his size of all time, probably better than all of the 6'6 240 lbs guys and maybe better than Fury.
     
  2. theanatolian

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    There’s so much stupidity in this that I’m pretty sure It’s just trolling.
     
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  3. SmackDaBum

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    Well he is right about Ali but Usyk would struggle against Fury in.
     
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  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Both you and NEETz are delusional beyond belief
     
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  7. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Already shown by Chisora. Very close fight against an inferior fighter with a style advantage.
     
  8. StiffJeb

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    An effective pressure fighter is a nightmare for anybody that doesn't possess extremely heavy hands to counter.
    Thing is though, Chisora is probably the best swarmer in the heavyweight division, with one of the best chins to back it up, and Usyk handled him well enough.

    Bellew is a good counter puncher and Usyk at the time had a few holes in his defence when on the front foot (he had a habit of jumping in and getting caught, he stopped doing that in the Witherspoon fight).
    Let's be real though, he only took the first three rounds when Usyk was starting slow, I don't think it's fair to say he gave him much trouble.

    The 'slick' style is generally something he needs a few rounds to work out before he starts doing a lot of damage - this is about as well as you can do against a defensive counterpunching style - see Mchunu also.
     
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  9. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Everyone has made their judgement on Usyk against Chisora but fail to mention prior to Chisora, Usyk was out of the ring for one year and only had 6 rounds at HW over 2 years...hardly fair assessments
     
  10. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Also apparently was not long recovered from Covid and old arm injuries resurface during the fight.

    Also given that Usyk did "just enough" to beat Chisora clear, it's hard to know what to take out of the Chisora fight - aside from the fact that he could obviously compete at HW.
     
  11. drenlou

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    From the names listed, Lennox then id say Prime Holyfield. Modern day, id say Fury.
     
  12. Brighton bomber

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    Mike Tyson. If anyone can press Usyk and get to him consistently it's Tyson, his speed, his head movement and ability to cut off the ring will force Usyk to stand and fight at times and I see Tyson coming out on top if that happens.

    Maybe Usyk can keep Tyson on the outside but nobody has ever really been able to do that even faded Tyson against Lewis was able to cut the distance at times and force Lewis to uppercut him or clinch to prevent Tyson unloading. Prime Tyson for me, won't fall for the lead hand feints as he doesn't rely on the jab and maintains his peakaboo guard as he comes in weaving. Tyson's head movement may very well force Usyk to lead to try and keep Tyson off him.

    You don't beat Tyson by just keeping him on the outside because he always gets up close, you have to be able to smother his forward momentum, tie him up and push him back and I haven't seen that in Usyk's arsenal yet.
     
  13. George Crowcroft

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    He's quite possibly the worst match-up imaginable for Dillian Whyte.
     
  14. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In terms of style - in a P4P sense - i'd look at someone like Calzaghe

    1) Southpaw swarmer
    2) Comparable engine with Usyk - isn't going to fade in the championship rounds
    3) Granite beard
    4) Awkward angles and footwork
    5) High adaptibility - multiple adjustments

    Now obviously Zags is not a heavyweight - but that's the kind of match up that I would see giving him the most trouble. Trouble is, there really hasn't been a heavyweight like that to date - Usyk himself is probably the closest - athough technically more refined than Zags for sure.

    Aside from that there is pressure fighters that could work Usyks body and not allow him to get into a rythym. Tyson would have a good chance, but I don't think the fear factor he had in his prime would faze Usyk one bit.

    Frazier might have a shout as he was relentless and could go 15 at pace. Hard not to see Usyk timing him and countering - but Frazier had one helluva beard, so maybe he would not be as deterred.
     
  15. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    It's pretty obvious looking at his career. The pressure fighters who are slightly shorter but remain technically sound, are the ones Usyk has had most issues with. Briedis, Chisora, Beterbiev, etc. It should also be noted that this likely specifically applies to orthodox only, as Krsytzof Głowacki fits this bill well, but he had absolutely no success and was battered thoroughly.

    I think looking at match-ups which are bad for him, you have Joe Frazier, who's the worst match-up in history for him. Shortly followed by Mike Tyson.

    I don't see what's made so big of a deal of the Bellew and Hunger fights. Between them, they at best, won six rounds. Both received collosal beatings once Usyk figured them out and stepped things up. Mchunu had as much as success as they did and nobody's talking about how Usyk struggled with him. A shorter boxer is a pretty easy match-up for Usyk.