is Usyk the definition of "no filler fights"

Wilder has cherrypicked Fury to get a good name on his resume with minimal risk, Fury looked terrible in his first two fights and Wilder saw that and they arranged a fight. Lets remember Wilder ducked Joshua for $50m and he even admitted it.

It turned out that it was a cherry pick gone wrong and a 60% Fury schooled Wilder and brutally beat him down in the rematch.
Now the first Ortiz fight, Ortiz was a 38 year old man who should have got the stoppage but a bogus doctor inspection gave Wilder 30 seconds of extra rest and recovery between rounds, Ortiz had Wilder out on his feet in the previous round.

Don't even compare Wilder to Usyk, it's offensive to Usyk and his legacy

 

You compared Wilder to Usyk, and I pointed out his last 10 opponents blew Usyk's out of the water. Your response was basically "let's pretend he didn't fight Fury three times." And "let's pretend Ortiz isn't a contender and hasn't been for the last five years."

I've never seen people in such utter denial in my life over participants in a sport.

Six days to go.

 

Wilder fought Fury 2 times and lost both times, great job Deontay.
Fought Ortiz who's 40 years old... not very impressive is it?

 

Wilder literally only has 2 good names on his resume, the ref saved him from losing to the first good name he has ever fought, the second good name he has ever fought blew him out the water

 

People wouldn't be happy if Usyk fought not just Szpilka or Stiverne but Arreola, Washington or Breazeale but I basically agree. Breazeale was the weakest opponent of the last 6 but at least Wilder blasted him out in 1 rather than failing to put a dent in him until the 7th round.

Ortiz was a top opponent and Fury is the best so after Wilder's fought Fury in the trilogy in a week's time, his last 6 will be by far the best list of opponents in the division over that period. It's absurd that people accuse Wilder of ducking challenges when for the last 3.5 years he has fought an incredible standard of opposition. Wilder has been close to even money on three occasions (Stiverne 1, Fury 1 & 2) and is a massive underdog going into the Fury trilogy while AJ has always been a big, enormous or ridiculous favourite and still managed to lose 2 of his 26 fights, in dominant fashion to boot.

 

Wilder got a draw after knocking Fury down twice in the fight and being a second away from victory in the 12th. We can go into revisionism but it's still an infinitely better result against an almost even money opponent than being slapped around and forced to quit by 10/1 late sub Andy Rice Pudding Jr. and getting schooled and battered by 5/2 Usyk in Britain.

40 year old, top 5/6 Ring ranked over the last 5 years Ortiz was rubbish and 30 year old lineal champion Fury coming off two warmup fights over 6 months was a cherrypick but 41 year old, 17 months inactive, dethroned Wlad wasn't? 39 year old Povetkin wasn't? 39.5 year old, 13 months inactive Pulev wasn't? Fury was also a voluntary and Wilder didn't have to take the rematch or the trilogy, while Usyk was a mandatory and Hearn made plenty of noises about ducking him if he couldn't get things all his own way in the negotiations (which ultimately didn't matter as we saw).

 

41 year old Wlad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 40 year old Ortiz
39 year old Povetkin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>40 year old Ortiz
39 year old Pulev = 40 year old Ortiz

 

Wlad is better yes but 39 year old Povetkin is equal and Pulev(!) is vastly worse, probably not even a puncher's chance against AJ ffs. Ortiz would be AJ's 2nd or 3rd best win and even the rematch version is better than anyone on AJ's list of wins after Povetkin.

It's ironic though because Hearn signed skilled southpaw power puncher Ortiz back in 2016 to protect AJ from him. They tried to get post-Wilder 1 Ortiz on a short camp in 2019 yes but AJ was fighting the Ashanti Jordan, Arreola and Wilder leftovers Eric Molina on the same card that Ortiz was matched up with Dave Allen on short notice by snake Hearn.

It's also hilarious that AJ fans dishonestly don't consider AJ's losses (in this case to two underdogs, one long and one insanely long) as being damaging to his overhyped facade of a resume.

 

Man, why are you having a go at AJ? He's got the best resume and he hasn't ducked anyone in his whole career. I don't like AJ but I can't deny the facts.

Wilder has 1 good opponent that he beat on his record, AJ has 6 or 7. Wilder ducked AJ and he even admitted it.

 

What has Ortiz done to be ranked in the top 10? If it's based on his wins then his last good win was in 2016. If it's based on performances against Wilder than why isn't Wallin ranked in the top 10 for his performance against Fury?

 

Wilder never admitted to ducking AJ; he said he fought Fury for less money in America but what were the conditions of fighting AJ? Probably that Wilder had to travel to Britain, when AJ said that he would not travel to America to fight Wilder. Barry Hearn said that they turned down a deal to fight Wilder in the U.S. because they were worried about a robbery, which is highly unlikely considering that they were both (allegedly) KO artists.

They are both protected fighters who have spent their ENTIRE CAREERS in their backyards as big A-sides. The narrative that Wilder was guilty of ducking AJ is flagrantly dishonest, especially considering that Hearn/AJ ducked Ortiz in 2016 and ducked Usyk in mid-2019 to fight Miller/Whyte/Kownacki/Ruiz, in late 2020 to fight 39.5 year old, 13 months inactive Pulev and finally got their comeuppance against the guy they had been aging out for over 2 years in late 2021.

You don't have to like AJ to defend him because you support Usyk. The idea that AJ has a better resume than Fury or Usyk is a cartoonish Matchroom narrative. AJ has two very good names on his resume: 41 year old inactive defeated Wlad in Britain and 39 year old Povetkin in Britain while Wilder has 40 year old Ortiz x2 in America. Then we look at the losses and we see 10/1 late sub Ruiz NOMAS7 in America and 5/2 Usyk "8-4" UD in Britain, compared to 21/20 Fury TKO7 in America. AJ's top 2 wins are somewhat better than Wilder's but AJ's losses are vastly worse.

 

It's for his impressive KO's over journeymen and his shutout against Hammer, who has wins over a younger Johnson, Teper and Price, as well as Ortiz giving top 2/3 Ring ranked Wilder (2013-2021) his hardest and most dangerous fights outside of Fury. Wallin has been top 10 ranked or there abouts so it's a moot point. If Wallin beats Whyte this month he moves to 5th.

 

On whos list?

 

[url]https://tbrb.org/rankings[/url]

 

I see but how do you know Wallin will move to #5 if he wins?