Fury v Wilder 3 British forum RBR

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  1. Wig

    Wig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agreed. Wilder looks in tremendous shape. Fury can't afford to bring anything other than his A-game tomorrow.
     
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  2. moog

    moog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Spot on. Plus Usyk strengths are totally different. Wilder's are based on speed of the right coming in with his whole body through the air at the weirdest angles. I think he thinks he will manhandle Fury and be able to smash him up in the inside. Madness.
     
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  3. Jurgen

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    Correct but Wilder always looked well under his natural weight for his body.
     
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  4. Twentyman

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    Agree with Moog. Wilder looked aesthetically amazing on the scales but he's way too heavy. His one punch power was generated from his speed and mechanics. He's got too much bulk (for him) on that frame. He's not going to carry the same speed or fluidity imo. He will be absolutely goosed when Fury starts roughing him up on inside. It will drain the gas tank big time. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised to see a Wilder injury on the night, a torn bicep or achilles type thing. Bit like Haye. Too much bulk.

    Fury on the other hand is at a comfortable weight for him. I would never write off Wilder but I think Fury stops him in 9 rounds.
     
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  5. moog

    moog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In theory you would think so, but Wilder looked his worst when heavier, that does not bode well. If he try's as I now expect and go toe to toe with Fury in clinches, Fury with more power and boxing ability and will smash him quick. Hope so anyway lol.
     
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  6. UKboxingfan

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    Exactly. This just isn’t wilder’s comfort zone so I just don’t know what he gains apart from being a bit closer to fury’s weight which is still a long way away. Fair play for trying something different but I don’t think it’s the right move, time will tell though.
     
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  7. moog

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    Looked weird, but it suited him. Extra weight in last fight hindered him. You get some people who are naturally skinny, he is one of them. Peter Crouch is 6'7 too, but like Wilder he has a skinny frame. Will the extra weight make Wilder punch harder ? Will it make him fitter ? Will it make him dominate Fury in clinches ? Will it improve his speed and his unorthodox attacks ? Personally, I don't think so.
     
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  8. Jurgen

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    I was probably one of a very small number on here who thought Wilder won the first fight although it was very close.

    That 2nd fight was a very bad night for him and no shame losing to the best in the division. One defeat and @Mitch87 and the Matchroom Mob have him down as worse than Dull Boy Chisora and Pudding Whyte never mind Joshua.

    If this was Wilder v Joshua, Whyte or Chisora tomorrow, I would strongly fancy Wilder to wipe any of them out.

    Fury has boxing skills that are levels above these fighters and he will need them tomorrow.
     
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  9. Safin

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    The extra weight is either a "natural" adaptation as time has passed which simply runs parallel to his training, or it is a conscious effort to improve something. The only thing you would think that it would theoretically be used to improve would be power and strength in the clinches.

    He already had enough power, so that's pointless, and you're not going to gain weight to be stronger in the clinches at the cost of other attributes, most important of which I would argue is stamina.

    It probably is an odd decision.
     
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  10. Safin

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    I have to agree with all except the first sentence. I am surprised to hear that you seen it that way.
     
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  11. Jurgen

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    That is how I scored it and I did post the card on the fight thread.

    Many of the rounds were close and I would not have much of a gripe if it was a draw or a narrow win to Fury on the night.
     
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  12. mcguirpa

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    Fury hasn't looked right all year. No way the first pull out was Covid. He's not well mentally, that's well documented, but come the night he's always done the business. He's a true one-off, it wouldn't surprise me if he just came in and boxed all night. Wilder expecting a 3 round shootout and Fury just moving around, pot-shotting and taking a wide points decision.

    He's an enigma, anything could happen tomorrow. One thing that is true though, even its a cliche - you can't put muscles on chins. If Fury lands a flich shot early, even a really stiff jab, wilder's going to be having flashbacks.
     
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  13. Here's Johnny

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    I’ve never seen a weigh in cause the consensus to change so much. Facts are still the same. Wilder will only ever have a punchers chance against Fury.

    Fury seemed overly wound up but I still think he’ll focus on the night and avoid the one trick pony. “Shithouse training a shithouse” brilliant. He’s not wrong. Anyone remember that Ortiz fight in Monaco were Scott threw himself on the floor tens of times throughout the fight. Still the worst fight I’ve ever seen I think.
     
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  14. Twentyman

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    Totally agree with you and Moog.

    I always think of punch power being like a golf swing. You can have someone who can knock the golf ball about 300 yards who looks very slight. It's all about the mechanics and fluidity of the swing. That was Wilder's uniqueness imo. He has brilliant mechanics in how he generates power. If Rory McIlroy piled on a couple of stone of muscle (suspect of Wilder by the way) it would effect his swing.

    Wilder has won the body beautiful contest by a mile but this is a fight and I don't believe that bulk will benefit him.
     
  15. moog

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    Cheers mate. How long it lasts will depend on Wilder. If he try's to play it safe until he can try and detonate then I think it could go late, but if he with his bench pressing comments wants to wrestle Fury and stay in pocket, Fury could realistically stop him very early. We could look back and think Wilder and Malik Scott have pulled of a masterstroke, but I don't think so. Malik Scott is a puppet, and Wilder in his head properly puts defeat in last fight down to lack of weight. He has played right into Fury's hands imo.